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Last edited by oxmixmudd; 04-15-2020, 07:20 AM.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by simplicio View PostCan one be an evangelical and a credible historian or scientist? I think the answer is obviously yes.
Try to focus - this is about Charles' claim that Fea, himself, is an Evangelical, when Fea is actually an individual who makes his life writing articles, blogging, and making speeches critical of Evangelicals.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostAbsolutely! Is a historian necessarily an Evangelical just because Charles says he is? Not so much.
Try to focus - this is about Charles' claim that Fea, himself, is an Evangelical, when Fea is actually an individual who makes his life writing articles, blogging, and making speeches critical of Evangelicals."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostIronically, elitist attitudes are one of the reasons academics are losing respect among the GP.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostAnd SHEESH, the EXTRAORDINARILY LARGE BRUSH being used to paint Evangelicals in order to try to justify this crap is a little surprising."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by simplicio View PostJohn Fea committed the unforgivable sin of diverging from the NRA line. Everything else I have seen points to Fea being an evangelical and an orthodox Christian. (but only if a real Christian can be opposed to Trump)
Either that, or you're dumber than a stump.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostThis is basically what is expected. Evangelicals carry with them a certain demand for a certain reading of scripture. As a result many are young earth and believe that a 'true' CHristian will deny what the data tells us about the age of the Earth, or the history of life on the earth. And that basic approach spills over into nearly every element of study and learning. From the disparities in the many texts of the scriptures themselves, to history, to psychology,. If there is a perceived conflict between what they think the bible is telling them and what the data shows, the will assume the data is wrong. This creates a vacuum that is easily filled with conspiracy theories that claim some sort of group effort by science and scientists to deceive the world about the truth as an explanation for why that data appears to contradict what they think the Bible is telling them. And this has set the stage perfectly for what we see today in the Evangelical community regarding anti vax, anti global warming, anti evolution - a generalized anti science, anti knowledge undercurrent that plays right into the rhetoric of the political right. It is why my wife's Facebook is constantly filled with the most absurd conspiracy theories about global warming, the corona viruscetc etc. And this deep seated distrust of knowledge and science makes it virtually impossible to offer any sort of rational pushback against it. Even if the person pushing back believes in the authority and inspiration of the Bible and is in fact an evangelical by any historical definition of the word.
NPR's "Hidden brain" had a very interesting program on how we determine what sources we trust and what sources we do not trust. It is very relevant to this discussion, but it's not a short program, it will require about 35 minutes of your time:
https://www.npr.org/2019/07/18/74319...-false-beliefs
As for those sources Evangelicals tend to trust against and over science and knowlege:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_..._a_young_Earth
https://religionunplugged.com/news/2...eve-its-a-hoax
Note this is just getting warmer, not mankind is causing it to get warmer.
Anti-vax is far more widespread than just Evangelicals, but is part of their anti-science cadre and they contain more by percentage than the general population. In addition, is is in fact a Republican problem along with climate change denial. The Trump base includes a lot of Evangelicals, and their anti-science bias has influenced it a good bit:
https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-an...lican-epidemic
We are seeing the "5G is why corona virus is so bad" also filling up the facebook pages of those evangelical Christians we are close to.
Anti-science/conspiratorial dogma is rampant in the Evangelical communicty, especially on internet feeds from them and through their connections. This is simply a reality, perhaps an uncomfortable one, but a reality none-the-less. And we see that influence in nearly every thread that touches on science here and in Nat Sci.Last edited by oxmixmudd; 04-15-2020, 10:07 AM.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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And within the Evangelical community, which does indeed span a large number of denominations (my own cadre of Evangelical Friends covers everything from Church of Christ to indpendent Charismatic, with a large number of your standard SBC, UMC, Assemblies of God, etc, etc. in between) The Evangelical community is broad and ecumenical in many ways. But they also are prone to the sorts of scientific illiteracy, fear, and conspiratorial nonsense I'm talking about. I've lived in it over 60 years, and my singing has put me in touch with just about every single significant expression of it.Last edited by oxmixmudd; 04-15-2020, 10:19 AM.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostAnd within the Evangelical community, which does indeed span a large number of denominations (my own cadre of Evangelical Friends covers everything from Church of Christ to indpendent Charismatic, with a large number of your standard SBC, UMC, Assemblies of God, etc, etc. in between) The Evangelical community is broad and ecumenical in many ways. But they also are prone to the sorts of scientific illiteracy, fear, and conspiratorial nonsense I'm talking about. I've lived in it over 60 years, and my singing has put me in touch with just about every single significant expression of it.Last edited by lilpixieofterror; 04-15-2020, 10:25 AM."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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