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Charles was dragged into the E/evangelical dispute by those here making it an issue, he is not 'engrossed in it' beyond that responses of those that are willing to make that a prerequisite to a discussion of any ideas presented. At least that is what I'm seeing.
AFAICT, what you are saying here is justification for what I see as just another attempt to jump on Charles for daring to post Fea's opinion and ask for discussion of it. There are innumerable non-hostile ways to engage and discuss the point made by Fea, or to ask Charles for clarification if clarification is needed. There is no need to spend page after page (I am speaking of the thread as a whole) criticising him, but it is apparently to be preferred by some.
I quite disagree. I am astonished you hold that opinion. It's precisely what isn't in the content of the OP that makes it innuendo.
To me - if a person is critical of the Gospel - my first response is to try to understand why, not to be offended by the fact they view our Lord or our faith that way.
What I see above is continued hostility and criticism that is in line with most of the rest of the thread. I don't blame Charles for limiting his replies.
I have engaged in both making the point Fea has made and defending it many times on this website. And I have engaged Charles on this in my own way, I just chose not to in this thread. But then again, guess what, now you've decided to toss a barb my direction pointing out the general hostility in this thread, and oh so many others.
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I'll say again: go to it, what's holding you back? You seem to think "the conservative Christians that frequent this online community" are depriving Charles: go un-deprive him!
That functions as a somewhat long winded expression of your disgust and disdain for me as a person and for most of the thread's responders as persons. Really top notch Christian stuff, I must say!My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by David Hayward View PostI'll say again: go to it, what's holding you back? You seem to think "the conservative Christians that frequent this online community" are depriving Charles: go un-deprive him!
Come on, ox, lead by example.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostAnd ox still hasn't addressed the OP or given Chuck the discussion that ox thinks he deserves!
Come on, ox, lead by example."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostI wonder if Fea (or Chuck as his proxy in this thread) can support such a broad brush accusation like "evangelicals have in almost every circumstance where there's some kind of change in the culture, have not responded with hospitality to the stranger, with grace, with hope, with the idea that people who are different from them have been created in the image of God and have that dignity and worth. Instead they have built their walls and protected themselves against people they fear"?
What "changes in culture" is he referring to, exactly, and why does he think Christians are obligated to accept them?
Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostYeah, and he misinterprets caution for fear. I resist the homosexual agenda, for example, not because of fear, but simply because it's anti-biblical.
Charles responds with ignorance...
Originally posted by Charles View PostSeems you fear the actual message he has got since you too need to make it about homosexuals. Where did you even get that from?
If all you can get from this is ideas about homosexuality you are really narrow minded. And really concerned to not adress what he is actually saying.
I "got this" from an article Fea wrote where he takes Evanglicals to task for not supporting the homosexual agenda.
Seems Charles is absolutely clueless as to who Fea is, or what he believes.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostI gave the example earlier in the thread of homosexuality, because that's one of the areas where Fea thinks the Evangelicals have messed up -- which, in effect, shows Fea is not really an Evangelical.
Charles responds with ignorance...
I "got this" from an article Fea wrote where he takes Evanglicals to task for not supporting the homosexual agenda.
Seems Charles is absolutely clueless as to who Fea is, or what he believes.
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As has been debated in this thread, "Evangelical" can be defined a number of ways, but when used with the capital E, it generally refers to somebody who believes the Bible is the inerrant word of God. Those persons (like me) believe the Bible speaks against homosexuality.
Do certain political positions need to be held in order to be an Evangelical?
There does, indeed, seem to be a political divide, but for good reason.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostAs has been debated in this thread, "Evangelical" can be defined a number of ways, but when used with the capital E, it generally refers to somebody who believes the Bible is the inerrant word of God. Those persons (like me) believe the Bible speaks against homosexuality.
That's pretty much what Fea is arguing - that Evangelicals get it wrong, because they're not 'flexible' enough. Abortion and homosexuality are two current "hot issues", and the liberal Christians seem (at least to some degree) to allow both, while Conservative Christians (Evangelicals) believe both are wrong.
There does, indeed, seem to be a political divide, but for good reason.
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Cool, but when the political positions pretty much line up with the political parties, what do you do? Democrats are becoming more hostile to Christianity, and Republicans more accepting of it. Same with abortion and homosexuality.
I try to base my political positions on what I believe to be fairest for everyone and look to my faith to influence my personal actions.
What is the main purpose for pushing Christianity into politics?
Is it to create a Christian nation or is it limited to a few specific things?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostHomosexuality is not a political issue, it's a moral one."I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostCool, but when the political positions pretty much line up with the political parties, what do you do? Democrats are becoming more hostile to Christianity, and Republicans more accepting of it. Same with abortion and homosexuality.
So, basically, just toss out the Bible and let "fairness" be your guide, eh?
I reject your premise.
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