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"The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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I tend to vote Green here, so I'm pleased to hear they've had an impact in Australia.
I would hazard to guess that perhaps, even if you don't necessarily like their policies, that having more parties in your political spectrum helps improve the functioning of the democracy and of the two main parties? The introduction of more parties in NZ certainly brought a landscape change in the way politics here was done.
I don't think that made the headlines here.
Usually the headlines here about Australia are about the Australian government doing something mean to New Zealanders living in Australia (e.g. denying benefits, deporting them, sending criminals here, removing them from parliament etc), and our government responding with "well we're disappointed, and we asked them 3 times nicely not to do that but they did it anyway, but we won't be responding in kind by doing the same things to Australians living here". There doesn't seem to be quite the same assumption in Australia that the two nations are basically one citizenry as there is here.
Though, IMO, in general NZ is too quick to confer full benefits and rights to foreigners in general who happen to be in our country. e.g. I personally don't think non-citizens (except Australians maybe) should be allowed to vote here, as in my observation their loyalty is often to their home country which can be a country fairly hostile to NZ's interests (e.g. China). Giving tax-payer funded healthcare to non-tax-paying tourists is also a bit questionable.
I guess when progressive positions become the norm they become the conservative position so young progressives become old conservatives.
In this way we see societies shift. So, e.g. the conservatives of a couple of hundred years ago in the US defended slavery (to the point of fighting to the death to keep it!), because that's the system they grew up with. Whereas (hopefully!) no US conservative on this forum would seriously advocate for it today, because that's not the system they grew up with.
The current conservative position in the US has been extinct for at least half a century here.
The western world has moved to a social democracy in that time while it seems the US is still stuck in the capitalist v socialist argument.
Though in the 1980s there was such a strong push in the West away from social democracy and toward low-tax low-regulation free-market under-funding-of-the-welfare-state stripping-back-of-worker's-rights dismantling-of-unions (aka 'neo-liberalism', Reaganomics / Thatcherism / Fraser+Hawke etc) that much of the West still seems to be recovering from that rather extreme experimentation with right-wing economics, and seems to be gradually rebuilding their welfare states and drifting back toward a more social democracy. Though I guess few even on the left would want to bring back quite the level of big-government controlled-economies that existed pre-80s."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostSomeone has never visited a Catholic Church, in Europe.
Don't get me wrong, I think the RCC is one of the worst organisations on the planet (along with groups like ISIS, the NRA, the mafia, the US Republican party etc). A semi-positive comment about how its members tend to vote politically certainly isn't an endorsement of the organisation."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostOf course I have. But I take your point that the way that Roman Catholic citizens tend to vote and the way the Roman Catholic Church organisation tends to act aren't very well aligned!
Don't get me wrong, I think the RCC is one of the worst organisations on the planet (along with groups like ISIS, the NRA, the mafia, the US Republican party etc). A semi-positive comment about how its members tend to vote politically certainly isn't an endorsement of the organisation."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by Dimbulb View PostI think the RCC is one of the worst organisations on the planet (along with groups like ISIS, the NRA, the mafia, the US Republican party etc).Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by mossrose View PostI thought I had heard 60 tonnes. It might have been my hearing, but I am also seeing conflicting numbers.
Other than that, you're a twit.
It is a sad commentary when it is Christians advocating some "every man for himself", in some Darwinian survival of the fittest. A pandemic needs international cooperation, shifting resources to where they are needed, the high demand are not
Canada is now importing masks and other equipment from China.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostThat right there is some prime trolling!
It is hardly the first time I've heard that sentiment, in fact I would say it is a commonly held view among a certain segment of atheists and evangelicals. But I have never seen an evangelical refer to it in terms of trolling.
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Originally posted by simplicio View PostIs it?
It is hardly the first time I've heard that sentiment, in fact I would say it is a commonly held view among a certain segment of atheists and evangelicals. But I have never seen an evangelical refer to it in terms of trolling.
And then they get offended when I point out how ignorant they are of common viewpoints within their country."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by simplicio View Post
It is a sad commentary when it is Christians advocating some "every man for himself", in some Darwinian survival of the fittest.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostYou're a true "skolar".
"I do my resurch on Google!"Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.
seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostSo you stated something as fact when it isn't, and then when called on it, falsely claimed that it was the prevailing view among US citizens when it isn't
(Answer: he didn't. MM doesn't seem to know the difference between "common" and "prevailing".)Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.
seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostI Timothy 5:8, no matter how you seek to twist it.
Push hardship on others less fortunate, less able, is hardly consistent with a Christian worldview.
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostIt's just a run of the mill example from MM of the common ignorance I see among conservatives on this site regarding common viewpoints among liberals.
And then they get offended when I point out how ignorant they are of common viewpoints within their country.
It is a viewpoint I do not agree with.
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