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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostLiberal governors are ratcheting up the "Blame Trump!" narrative, saying they weren't prepared because Trump didn't tell them to be... or something. As Trump explained to Chuck Schumer in a recent letter, emergency preparedness is the responsibility of the individual states, and the federal government can only provide limited backup and support. Now liberals are claiming that "everybody" saw this coming, so it begs the question, why didn't those governors, first of all, have the supplies on hand to deal with a pandemic that the "experts" have supposedly been predicting for years, and secondly, why didn't they act immediately to protect their own citizens? If Trump didn't act early enough, then neither did they. Whatever blame they wish to heap on the President, they are every bit as culpable.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostLiberal governors are ratcheting up the "Blame Trump!" narrative, saying they weren't prepared because Trump didn't tell them to be... or something. As Trump explained to Chuck Schumer in a recent letter, emergency preparedness is the responsibility of the individual states, and the federal government can only provide limited backup and support. Now liberals are claiming that "everybody" saw this coming, so it begs the question, why didn't those governors, first of all, have the supplies on hand to deal with a pandemic that the "experts" have supposedly been predicting for years, and secondly, why didn't they act immediately to protect their own citizens? If Trump didn't act early enough, then neither did they. Whatever blame they wish to heap on the President, they are every bit as culpable.
Remember Trump said that, "He is in control."
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostWow...I never expected you to admit that you and your clan do it..."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostWell...not a great comparison. WWII was with an external foe to the nation as a whole. Outward: we function as a nation. Inward, we function as 50 states. I know that is an over simplification (e.g., states can make international trade deals), but it's close enough for...ummm.. government work!
I think a better comparison would be the Great Depression and the Great Recession as well as the previous pandemics. The role of the governors is to oversee their states. The role of the fed is to help manage interstate and multistate issues, and to provide support to states. A pandemic is, by definition, an interstate/multistate issue. If Trump does not feel good calling for shelter in place, then he could (and should) restrict interstate travel to/from those states that are not taking the pandemic seriously. Of course, he won't. Those states are his states and such an act would alienate his base. So better to sacrifice some lives than risk losing in November."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostWell...not a great comparison. WWII was with an external foe to the nation as a whole. Outward: we function as a nation. Inward, we function as 50 states. I know that is an over simplification (e.g., states can make international trade deals), but it's close enough for...ummm.. government work!
I think a better comparison would be the Great Depression and the Great Recession as well as the previous pandemics. The role of the governors is to oversee their states. The role of the fed is to help manage interstate and multistate issues, and to provide support to states. A pandemic is, by definition, an interstate/multistate issue. If Trump does not feel good calling for shelter in place, then he could (and should) restrict interstate travel to/from those states that are not taking the pandemic seriously. Of course, he won't. Those states are his states and such an act would alienate his base. So better to sacrifice some lives than risk losing in November.
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Originally posted by little_monkey View PostAgree with your point in regard to Trump's action and his motivation. However, it's a national crisis - the virus doesn't respect boundaries. So it's counter-productive if one governor's action nullifies the action of the neighboring state. This is not about constitutional rights or state's rights. The President has enough power to institute a national response to this national crisis, whether the foe is exterior or interior. It's a question of leadership, which Trump sorely doesn't have."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostSounds like the excuses Bush made for the failure to respond to the hurricane Katrina. The failure of leadership is the issue, and of course taking responsibility, which Trump refuses to do.
Remember Trump said that, "He is in control."Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostTrump is in control of the federal response, and he's done a good job as far that is concerned. What individual states do is up to their own governments. If they failed to prepare under the mistaken belief the federal government would necessarily have the resources to bail them out then that's their fault, not the President's. Seems a lot of people in this country are suddenly getting a crash course in civics about stuff they should have learned in high school."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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I think liberals got used to Obama's (and to a lesser extent Bush's) way of doing things and still aren't sure how respond to a president who actually respects the Constitutional limits of his office.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostI think liberals got used to Obama's way of doing things and still aren't sure how respond to a president who actually respects the Constitution limits of his office."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostWell...not a great comparison. WWII was with an external foe to the nation as a whole. Outward: we function as a nation. Inward, we function as 50 states. I know that is an over simplification (e.g., states can make international trade deals), but it's close enough for...ummm.. government work!
I think a better comparison would be the Great Depression and the Great Recession as well as the previous pandemics. The role of the governors is to oversee their states. The role of the fed is to help manage interstate and multistate issues, and to provide support to states. A pandemic is, by definition, an interstate/multistate issue. If Trump does not feel good calling for shelter in place, then he could (and should) restrict interstate travel to/from those states that are not taking the pandemic seriously. Of course, he won't. Those states are his states and such an act would alienate his base. So better to sacrifice some lives than risk losing in November.
No that's not acting like a dictator at all.
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Originally posted by Sparko View Posthe could (and should) restrict interstate travel to/from those states that are not taking the pandemic seriously.
So you think he should starve out those that don't comply?
No that's not acting like a dictator at all.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostLilpixie is the gift that keeps on giving to the likes of you and Roy: she's sloppy enough that you can always find something to nitpick and take things off on a tangent.
Frankly, this forum tends to bring out my darker side. Much as I promise myself to keep that under wraps...I cave and start responding in kind. Then I hate myself for it, recognizing it for the failing in me that it is. I left twice because of that exact dynamic. I returned at the first sign of the pandemic to see how it was being responded to by those on the right. I have my answer. I'll probably shove off again soon.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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