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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostTrump was working on it months ago. And what was the left doing? Mocking and deriding him for it. That and complaining that the task force he created wasn't diverse enough. Even today worrying about supposed racism is their primary concern.
The main problem was that the Chicoms were lying through their teeth about it giving everyone the impression that it wasn't all that serious so that it caught everyone off guard.
And I will give you that he closed the borders (after the virus had a foothold), but he has always wanted to close borders, so he basically found an excuse to do so in a way that no one could question/challenge. Other than that...what is the list of marvelous things Trump did between the origin of the virus and March 15th, when he had his change of heart?Last edited by carpedm9587; 03-21-2020, 03:37 PM.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostRead my post carefully, Sparko - it says "many," not all. Some of the countries with excellent survivability rates include Sweden, Norway, Canada, and Finland, to name a few. Yes, there are also outliers like Italy. But if you look at the death rates, they skew towards lower for most of these countries.
This is a habit many people have: take a claim about trending, find an outlier that does not conform, and use it as evidence that the claim is not valid. If you want to show a claim about trends not valid, you have to show the trend to be different - not cite a single case. That's statistics 101.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by seanD View PostYeah, I meant invoke, not passed. I don't really see any reason to go there in this situation, especially if it's being overblown like many are claiming it to be.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Why can't we get Obama to stem the spread of the Chicom coronavirus? You know, like he claims he did with rising sea levels when he won the Democratic nomination for president.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostLooking at the list it appears that most of them on it have socialized medicine so it goes without saying that "many" of them have the lowest death rates. Conversely it also means that "many" of them have the highest death rates.
But as I type that I realize there is a stronger argument against my observation. If we use the exact same data and ask about non-single-payer above the 1% mark, the vast majority are below the 1% mark as well. So...I guess that particular distribution really doesn't tell us much of anything at all...The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostI have wondered about the China situation for a while. After 19 days with growth between 0.0% and 0.25%, it turns out their numbers are largely meaningless. Note that their case count has stayed close to flat for 19 days at around 81,300, but their recovery count is now at 91,540 with 12,755 deaths reported. So, interestingly, only 81,304 have contracted the illness, but 104,295 have recovered or died. Amazing that...
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostWhy can't we get Obama to stem the spread of the Chicom coronavirus? You know, like he claims he did with rising sea levels when he won the Democratic nomination for president.
:what:
:confused:
:come-again:
ETA: Guess I found it on the first try!The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by simplicio View PostDo you think that the Chinese government would risk fudging the data after the public relations disaster of the early part of the response?
ETA: Apparently a data entry error. The number has been adjusted down to 71K instead of 91K.Last edited by carpedm9587; 03-21-2020, 03:42 PM.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostThis claim has been reported multiple times. Consider the challenge put: besides forming committees, publicly playing down the pandemic, and being a fairly significant source of disinformation, what exactly did Trump do prior to his sudden conversion to "this is a problem," which I believe happened last week.
And I will give you that he closed the borders (after the virus had a foothold), but he has always wanted to close borders, so he basically found an excuse to do so no one could question. Other than that...what is the list of marvelous things Trump did between the origin of the virus and March 15th, when he had his change of heart?
Tell me what you would have done differently Carpe given we did not know what was happening till January after the horse left the China Barn.Last edited by RumTumTugger; 03-21-2020, 03:48 PM.
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Originally posted by simplicio View PostDo you think that the Chinese government would risk fudging the data after the public relations disaster of the early part of the response?
Originally posted by DivineOb View PostOk, I give up. For some reason the tweet only displays intermittently. Bottom line is American children are being stabbed out of xenophobia because of the insistence on calling Coronavirus "Chinese virus".
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostThere is a head-scratching emoji around here somewhere...but I have no idea how to invoke it....
:what:
:confused:
:come-again:
ETA: Guess I found it on the first try!
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostThey're still lying. They haven't stopped. Just look at their claiming that the Chicom coronavirus originated in the U.S. Moreover they are flooding social media with falsehoods in attempt to sow confusion and cause trouble. We've even seen it being repeated here on Tweb such as this:
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Originally posted by RumTumTugger View PostGive me a break he never said it wasn't serious or a he going on the little bit of information we had due to China's government not wanting to admit that things were worse they they told us was trying to forstall the Panic that the media was heck bent on creating. He did the best he could do given the information we did not have because hte China Government did not give us all of it
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Originally posted by RumTumTugger View Postas soon as we found out that the China Government lied about how bad it was He Started the Task force putting Pence in charge to coordinate it all so the Scientists and doctors on the task force could do their jobs of trying to get ahead of the virus that was the China Governments fault , got rid of stifling regulation so the private sector could work on getting Chicom covid tests, masks, etc he also gathered the private sector together to get ideas on what they could do to help name a few. Above all else trying to keep the American People Calm which was not helped by the so called reporting of the MSM which was designed to panic America after they had complained that Trump had overreacted in stopping travel from China when he did. Sorry carpedm you need to take those orangeman Bad glasses off to see what has been happening in front of your nose.
Tell me what you would have done differently Carpe given we did not know what was happening till January after the horse left the China Barn.
As for keeping the American people calm, spewing disinformation day after day is not a source of "calm" for most of us to actually acknowledge that this man lies most of the times he opens his mouth. Fauci has been a solid source of information, but Trump seems to fairly regularly either contradict him or downplay his message. As for "orangeman bad glasses," it is not bias if it is true. Claiming "bias" is simply a convenient way to dismiss those who speak out against Trump. After all, if we're "biased," you don't actually have to listen, do you?
As for what I would have done...there are several things:
- Been honest from the outset with the American people about the severity of the virus.
- Directed the CDC to validate the German protocols and clear state labs to develop tests as soon as he WHO declared a global pandemic.
- I would never have allowed the global health response team within the NSC to be disbanded, not in the age of global travel and the new array of viruses we have been seeing. The last pandemic was only 10 years ago.
- Brought governors and the mayors of major cities into the loop at the outset, especially those with detected infections, to get action going at the state level as quickly as possible.
- Identified supply gaps, invoked the Defense Production Act, and actually acted on it as soon as the gaps were identified. We have known that hand sanitizer, masks, and ventilators (to name a few things) were likely to be in short supply for weeks now.
- Instructed my entire cabinet and congressional leaders (which have required actually meeting with them) to get on the same page and push the social-distancing and hand-washing message everywhere and consistently, instead of the garbled messaging from such characters as Nunes, Pence, Carson, and Trump himself, to name a few.
- Adopted a "the buck stops here" posture - it is the mark of a leader who is taking charge. "Not my fault" is the whine of a toddler.
- Used a declaration of national emergency to ensure that ALL tests would be free to those taking them. At present, they are only free to those with insurance, AFAIK.
I could continue, but I'm pretty sure all of this will be dismissed as "Monday morning quarterbacking." However, we had leaders calling for such actions weeks ago. Unfortunately, most of them held the title "Democrat," so we certainly wouldn't want to actually do something the opposing side is calling for, right?
Our national polarization is resulting in unnecessary deaths.Last edited by carpedm9587; 03-21-2020, 04:14 PM.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by rogue06 View Post[ATTACH=CONFIG]43430[/ATTACH]The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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