Coronavirus Outbreak...

[carpedm9587]

How magnanimous of you, basically adding "present company excluded, maybe."

Anyway, carry on. I'll go back to lurking...I expect it wouldn't be long before the "maybe" was retracted and my own character got attacked too.

Actually, I've usually been quite impressed with you posts and candor. As noted, my observations were about trend lines. Whether or not those trend lines apply to you is a decision I leave you to make. Generally, I think most of the Christian right has lost any claim to the moral high ground. The is certainly true of most of the most visible public faces of that sector, most Republicans I have encountered, and almost all of the GOP leadership. IMO, the "party of family values" has lost claim to that title.

[oxmixmudd]

False.

For your edification, a montage of liberal media types repeatedly using the term "Wuhan coronavirus" and "Chinese coronavirus", long before they started hypocritically condemning Trump for using the common name that they themselves had drilled into the public consciousness:

You can also still find articles like these out there:

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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/02/h...mic-china.html

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https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/20/healt...ent/index.html

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https://time.com/5774366/how-coronavirus-spread-china/

The Time one is interesting, because while the headline says "Wuhan Coronavirus", the title you see in your browser tab reads "China Coronovirus".

So, no, Trump didn't start it, and he's not wrong to continue using the common name. I think his recent exchange with a reporter says it best:

Idiot Reporter: "Why do you continue to call it the 'Chinese virus'?"

President Trump: "Because it started in China."

For a time it was legitimate to refer to it by its location and/or point of apparent origin. It was mostly isolated and of limited impact.

But it's no longer localized, so the term now takes on a pejorative element - as you and others demonstrate regularly. It is now covid-19 or SARS-CoV-2 and a global pandemic. Its origin is no longer meaningful except to those, like you, that wish to cast blame and/or foster hate.

[lilpixieofterror]

Wrong. I am not apologizing for calling you and others on willful ignorance. But I am sorry that I haven't figured out a way that makes the point but does not come across as a personal attack.

You and pix and others have demonstrated ignorance with regards to this pandemic that is difficult to reconcile with your demonstrated intelligence. And that is a difficult thing to observe without wanting to find some way to correct the problem.

[carpedm9587]

False.

For your edification, a montage of liberal media types repeatedly using the term "Wuhan coronavirus" and "Chinese coronavirus", long before they started hypocritically condemning Trump for using the common name that they themselves had drilled into the public consciousness:

You can also still find articles like these out there:

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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/02/h...mic-china.html

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https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/20/healt...ent/index.html

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https://time.com/5774366/how-coronavirus-spread-china/

The Time one is interesting, because while the headline says "Wuhan Coronavirus", the title you see in your browser tab reads "China Coronovirus".

So, no, Trump didn't start it, and he's not wrong to continue using the common name. I think his recent exchange with a reporter says it best:

Idiot Reporter: "Why do you continue to call it the 'Chinese virus'?"

President Trump: "Because it started in China."

As best I can tell, your montage supports my point: it was called the Wuhan or Chinese virus in the earliest days, as it was largely contained to China. I have not been able to date stamp all of the video clips, but the ones I was able to all dated back to late last year and early January, before we even had a U.S. case and the cases outside of China were in single, double digits, and low triple digits. As the virus spread to the rest of the world, the language shifted. Then Trump jumped back. As for his response - what can I tell you - the man lies.

Base on his history, the most likely explanation is he is intentionally sowing division - and succeeding.

[carpedm9587]

Is it coming now or is it simply a promise aid is coming?

Both

And what provides the money to support this stuff?

For the local resources, a variety of sources. For state sources, current taxes. For federal resources, we are borrowing the money from our children, grandchildren, and quite possibly great grandchildren. Indeed, many generations will likely pay this tab on top of the tab for all of the rest of our chronic overspending for the past several decades.

[lilpixieofterror]

Actually, I've usually been quite impressed with you posts and candor. As noted, my observations were about trend lines. Whether or not those trend lines apply to you is a decision I leave you to make. Generally, I think most of the Christian right has lost any claim to the moral high ground. The is certainly true of most of the most visible public faces of that sector, most Republicans I have encountered, and almost all of the GOP leadership. IMO, the "party of family values" has lost claim to that title.

[lilpixieofterror]

Both

How long?

2 weeks? A month? 6 months?

Fast, the government is not. It will likely take the government several weeks to set anything up, too late for many.

For the local resources, a variety of sources. For state sources, current taxes. For federal resources, we are borrowing the money from our children, grandchildren, and quite possibly great grandchildren. Indeed, many generations will likely pay this tab on top of the tab for all of the rest of our chronic overspending for the past several decades.

[Mountain Man]

As best I can tell, your montage supports my point: it was called the Wuhan or Chinese virus in the earliest days, as it was largely contained to China. I have not been able to date stamp all of the video clips, but the ones I was able to all dated back to late last year and early January, before we even had a U.S. case and the cases outside of China were in single, double digits, and low triple digits. As the virus spread to the rest of the world, the language shifted. Then Trump jumped back. As for his response - what can I tell you - the man lies.

Base on his history, the most likely explanation is he is intentionally sowing division - and succeeding.

Spin spin spin...

[oxmixmudd]

You see what you wish to see pix.

[Mountain Man]

For a time it was legitimate to refer to it by its location and/or point of apparent origin. It was mostly isolated and of limited impact.

But it's no longer localized, so the term now takes on a pejorative element - as you and others demonstrate regularly. It is now covid-19 or SARS-CoV-2 and a global pandemic. Its origin is no longer meaningful except to those, like you, that wish to cast blame and/or foster hate.

Spin spin spin...

[oxmixmudd]

Vs millions dead that will not die if we can slow the spread of the disease. Which is more important?

It's not a trivial question, there is no simple choice.

If to little is done, the economy crashes anyway because of the impact of so many dying and the overwhelmed medical system. If the shutdowns are too harsh, we can fall into depression or worse and many will suffer for a very long time.

Is there anyway to acknowledge this is not trivial, and that both problems exists, and that the solution is to work together and listen to one another rather than demonize each other and lock ourselves in our respective corners?

[lilpixieofterror]

You see what you wish to see pix.

[lilpixieofterror]

Vs millions dead. Which is more important?

[carpedm9587]

Where did I say "the government will take care of all of our problems?"

You appear to be building a strawman here, so I have no further response.

[lilpixieofterror]

Where did I say "the government will take care of all of our problems?"

You appear to be building a strawman here, so I have no further response.

Your words:

Next week? No. We are stocked and sheltered. However, I don't see the relevance of this question. Steps are being taken to provide for the needs of those in that position at the local, state, and federal levels.