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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostThe hypocrisy of your position on this is highlighted by the thread next door: "Can we hate China now". This thread started by a Christian and highlights the reasons for the reactions. The problem with calling it the China virus is not because that is not it's geographic origin. It is because doing that is closely associated with racist and hateful rhetoric.
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Stole that from the radio this morning. It's what rogues do.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostThe hypocrisy of your position on this is highlighted by the thread next door: "Can we hate China now". This thread started by a Christian and highlights the reasons for the reactions. The problem with calling it the China virus is not because that is not it's geographic origin. It is because doing that is closely associated with racist and hateful rhetoric.Last edited by RumTumTugger; 03-20-2020, 05:13 PM.
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostThe hypocrisy of your position on this is highlighted by the thread next door: "Can we hate China now". This thread started by a Christian and highlights the reasons for the reactions. The problem with calling it the China virus is not because that is not it's geographic origin. It is because doing that is closely associated with racist and hateful rhetoric."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostFine. If you insist on calling it COVID 19 I can go with that. But for me it'll always stand for
China
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Stole that from the radio this morning. It's what rogues do.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostYou are correct. If a person wants to hate whole groups of people or encourage ideas the result in that kind of hatred from others, there is not a lot I can do to stop it. But why a person that names the name of Christ would want to be part of that sort of thing is not something I understand or can comprehend."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostYou are correct. If a person wants to hate whole groups of people or encourage ideas the result in that kind of hatred from others, there is not a lot I can do to stop it. But why a person that names the name of Christ would want to be part of that sort of thing is not something I understand or can comprehend.
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Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostIs China at least paying you to make false accusations against your fellow Christians?
And no pix - I am fully aware of the danger the Chinese government presents to our way of life. But this is not that. This is people trying to place the blame for the evolution of a virus and its effect on our civilization on a race of people.Last edited by oxmixmudd; 03-20-2020, 05:38 PM.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by RumTumTugger View PostI ask why a person that names the name of Christ continues defend those that spread lies and calls his brothers and Sister's in Christ unchristian for not accepting those lies.
Do you support violence against or hatred of Chinese nationals because this virus originates in China? Do you want to be part of actions that will contribute to such violence?
I don't. And I don't understand how a person that calls Jesus Lord would want to participate in the same.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostThat the thread "Can we hate China now" was started by a Christian is a fact. And it is simply a fact that the term "china virus" is part of an effort to cast blame on China itself for the existence of this virus. And it is a fact that doing that increases hatred towards a race of people, and that doing so can contribute to the uptick in hateful actions against asians that we are seeing.
Do you support violence against or hatred of Chinese nationals because this virus originates in China? Do you want to be part of actions that will contribute to such violence?
I don't. And I don't understand how a person that calls Jesus Lord would want to participate in the same.
Trouble, oh we got trouble,
Right here in River City!
With a capital "T"
That rhymes with "P"
And that stands for Pool,
That stands for pool.
We've surely got trouble!
The fact is that we can not let the Chicom government get away unscathed from what they have done, and being too afraid to even mention that this pandemic originated in China pretty much makes it virtually impossible to hold their feet to the fire.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostWhy does the first part of your post remind me of the song "Ya Got Trouble" from the Music Man
Trouble, oh we got trouble,
Right here in River City!
With a capital "T"
That rhymes with "P"
And that stands for Pool,
That stands for pool.
We've surely got trouble!
The fact is that we can not let the Chicom government get away unscathed from what they have done, and being too afraid to even mention that this pandemic originated in China pretty much makes it virtually impossible to hold their feet to the fire
Exactly as in our own bungling governments response. There is nothing to be gained by trying to pretend 'this is all their fault'. The first truly major outbreak in this country did not happen because of something China did. It happened because the idiots in our own government did not take it seriously which resulted in the workers that received the Diamond Princess not being properly briefed and exposing themselves to the virus and taking it out into the community. From there we had the outbreak in the rest home killing a large number of its residents and infecting its workers.
The fault also lies in our own government for dragging its feet with testing and responding to the nature of the threat. This is ALL on us. On our leaders.
Trying to divert the hatred to China is a fools errand. We have exponential growth here now. And all our efforts need to be directed at getting the fool you elected to get off his duff and stay off it and mobilize all available resources in combating the spread of this disease.Last edited by oxmixmudd; 03-20-2020, 05:59 PM.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostThat the thread "Can we hate China now" was started by a Christian is a fact. And it is simply a fact that the term "china virus" is part of an effort to cast blame on China itself for the existence of this virus. And it is a fact that doing that increases hatred towards a race of people, and that doing so can contribute to the uptick in hateful actions against asians that we are seeing.
The rest of your "facts" are nothing more than your own presumptions drawn out of the deep-seated ill-will you harbor towards your fellow Christians.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostRogue - whatever mistakes they made are a combination of their own culture, goverment ideology, and ignorance of who to handle the situation.
Exactly as in our own bungling governments response. There is nothing to be gained by trying to pretend 'this is all their fault'. The first truly major outbreak in this country did not happen because of something China did. It happened because the idiots in our own government did not take it seriously which resulted in the workers that received the Diamond Princess not being properly briefed and exposing themselves to the virus and taking it out into the community. From there we had the outbreak in the rest home killing a large number of its residents and infecting its workers.
The fault also lies in our own government for dragging its feet with testing and responding to the nature of the threat. This is ALL on us. On our leaders.
Trying to divert the hatred to China is a fools errand. We have exponential growth here now. And all our efforts need to be directed at getting the fool you elected to get off his duff and stay off it and mobilize all available resources in combating the spread of this disease.
You may want to give them a pass and shift the blame to Trump to feed your TDS but that habit is not only wrong but nothing short of destructive.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostAnd no pix - I am fully aware of the danger the Chinese government presents to our way of life. But this is not that. This is people trying to place the blame for the evolution of a virus and its effect on our civilization on a race of people.
No one is blaming the Chinese people as a race, they are placing the blame squarely where it belongs on the Chinese Government for it's mismanagement and then lies to cover it up. Rogue in post #958 has tried to show you the Truth, to bad you won't be able to see it, not with that huge orange log in your eye.
I guess I got the answer to my question about why a Christian would defend the lies of a country not wanting to take responsibility for their actions he is too blind to see the Truth because of his biased hatred towards a certain person.
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Originally posted by RumTumTugger View PostThis is nothing but a Strawman Argument Oxmix.
No one is blaming the Chinese people as a race, they are placing the blame squarely where it belongs on the Chinese Government for it's mismanagement and then lies to cover it up. Rogue in post #958 has tried to show you the Truth, to bad you won't be able to see it, not with that huge orange log in your eye.
I guess I got the answer to my question about why a Christian would defend the lies of a country not wanting to take responsibility for their actions he is too blind to see the Truth because of his biased hatred towards a certain person.
I do not in any way support or defend the Chinese government system. But on these pages we have post after post of denial and misunderstanding driven by information sources bent on defending Trump's ignorance and defended by the likes of you and others.
And I will not pretend nor agree wih you as you try sweep all that under the rug and cast off your and Trump's ignorance and foolhardiness on a Chinese scapegoat regardless of how convenient it might be.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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