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Originally posted by simplicio View PostBut none of those things really accounts for the low number of deaths per capita.
What is interesting is that Germany had a pandemic plan which they apparently followed. We also have various pandemic plans, but those guidelines were not followed, we as a country have had various plans ranging from biowarfare contingencies to the critiques of SARS, swine flu, and avian flu epidemics in this century. And we have multiple bureaucracies which have expertise in epidemics.
But one thing that is striking, the effective responses seem to be modeled on the plans of the early twentieth century, when we (almost) eliminated TB and Brucellosis in cattle, two zoonotic diseases. The 21st century epidemics are also zoonotic diseases.
But most of the discussion centers on political issues, pro- and anti- Trump, socialism (an infinitely elastic term), racially charged rhetoric, etc.
Germany continues its track record so far - with a current mortality of .24%. And even more interestingly, only 2 people in serious/critical condition with 13,083 cases reported. They added 3 new deaths today, which is a deviation - down - from the previous exponential growth in the death curve - again unusual in relation to other countries.
They still have a ways to go for final figures though, with only 113 actually listed as recovered. The knee in their growth curve only goes back 1.5 weeks, so best to hold judgement to see how this trends over the next two weeks.
For you conspiracy theorists out there: Germany has research on a Vaccine that rumor (denied) is the US tried to buy ... could their low mortality be related ...Last edited by oxmixmudd; 03-19-2020, 07:13 AM.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by firstfloor View PostMaybe God gave us the virus to teach us about climate change."As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostGood points simplicio.
Germany continues its track record so far - with a current mortality of .24%. And even more interestingly, only 2 people in serious/critical condition with 13,083 cases reported. They added 3 new deaths today, which is a deviation - down - from the previous exponential growth in the death curve - again unusual in relation to other countries.
They still have a ways to go for final figures though, with only 113 actually listed as recovered. The knee in their growth curve only goes back 1.5 weeks, so best to hold judgement to see how this trends over the next two weeks.
For you conspiracy theorists out there: Germany has research on a Vaccine that rumor (denied) is the US tried to buy ... could their low mortality be related ...
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Some hope?
Bayer preps U.S. donation of malaria med chloroquine to help in COVID-19 fight: report
https://www.fiercepharma.com/pharma/...9-fight-report
A malaria pill from the 1940s has caught the eyes of doctors, analysts, and even Elon Musk as a potential coronavirus treatment
https://www.businessinsider.com/mala...eatment-2020-3Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostSome hope?
Bayer preps U.S. donation of malaria med chloroquine to help in COVID-19 fight: report
https://www.fiercepharma.com/pharma/...9-fight-report
A malaria pill from the 1940s has caught the eyes of doctors, analysts, and even Elon Musk as a potential coronavirus treatment
https://www.businessinsider.com/mala...eatment-2020-3
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Originally posted by simplicio View PostAnd of course, the silver toothpaste and colloidal silver being sold by Alex Jones and Jim Baker.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostSome hope?
Bayer preps U.S. donation of malaria med chloroquine to help in COVID-19 fight: report
https://www.fiercepharma.com/pharma/...9-fight-report
A malaria pill from the 1940s has caught the eyes of doctors, analysts, and even Elon Musk as a potential coronavirus treatment
https://www.businessinsider.com/mala...eatment-2020-3My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by seer View PostSome hope?
Bayer preps U.S. donation of malaria med chloroquine to help in COVID-19 fight: report
https://www.fiercepharma.com/pharma/...9-fight-report
A malaria pill from the 1940s has caught the eyes of doctors, analysts, and even Elon Musk as a potential coronavirus treatment
https://www.businessinsider.com/mala...eatment-2020-3Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by seer View PostSome hope?
Bayer preps U.S. donation of malaria med chloroquine to help in COVID-19 fight: report
https://www.fiercepharma.com/pharma/...9-fight-report
A malaria pill from the 1940s has caught the eyes of doctors, analysts, and even Elon Musk as a potential coronavirus treatment
https://www.businessinsider.com/mala...eatment-2020-3
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahba...treat-n2565260Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostOne supposedly peer reviewed study showed a 100% cure rate, but I don't think that's been confirmed.
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahba...treat-n2565260Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by MaxVel View PostIt doesn't. It makes the point that no President, real or hypothetical, could do a perfect job in everyone's eyes in these circumstances. Has Trump made mistakes? Yes. So what? He is your President right now, he is who you all have to support and help do the best job possible until the crisis is over.
The issue is not perfection, or how much better anyone else could do this or what mistakes anyone made in the past. The question is, how many perfectly avoidable mistakes have been made? A bad reagent in the development of a testing kit is a happenstance that could not be foreseen. Spending days/weeks declaring this "under control" and "a non-issue" and choosing NOT to use an existing and demonstrably effective testing protocol are decisions that can and should be called into question.
The fact that he is NOT doing the best job possible, and is again acting and talking and choosing in his own best interests is the entire point. We didn't get "wartime president" until the situation was so evidently a problem the man in the executive office couldn't spin his way out of it. Even now, despite invoking the Defense Production Act, he's sitting on his hands instead of ordering the manufacture of critically needed supplies that are in critically short supply (hand sanitizer, swaps for testing, test kits, ventilators, etc.).
As for being my president, no thanks. I'm over 60 years old, and I have never uttered the words "not my president," no matter how much I disagreed with the policies or practices of the holder of that office - including Nixon. But I have never put "president" in front of Trump and I will never accept him as "my president." His behavior and actions in that office do not justify my granting him that honorific. IMO, he is keeping the chair warm until he can be replaced by someone who knows how to do the job and can represent the best values of America. Lying, bullying, vengeance seeking, cozying up with and defending the worst leaders in the world, and extreme narcissism are not on that list.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by simplicio View PostBut none of those things really accounts for the low number of deaths per capita.
What is interesting is that Germany had a pandemic plan which they apparently followed. We also have various pandemic plans, but those guidelines were not followed, we as a country have had various plans ranging from biowarfare contingencies to the critiques of SARS, swine flu, and avian flu epidemics in this century. And we have multiple bureaucracies which have expertise in epidemics.
But one thing that is striking, the effective responses seem to be modeled on the plans of the early twentieth century, when we (almost) eliminated TB and Brucellosis in cattle, two zoonotic diseases. The 21st century epidemics are also zoonotic diseases.
But most of the discussion centers on political issues, pro- and anti- Trump, socialism (an infinitely elastic term), racially charged rhetoric, etc.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by DivineOb View Post"Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it."
Samuel ClemensThe ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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