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  • Originally posted by Dimbulb View Post
    Everyone who is even minimally informed is aware that most countries hard hit by Covid are seriously struggling with regard to the fact they have been significantly under-counting the deaths caused by Covid.
    The story I cited was referring specifically to the US, dumbass.
    Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
    But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
    Than a fool in the eyes of God


    From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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    • Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
      It is losing focus - which is also happening across the country. Those protecting/arguing for "open now" are winning the argument - and things are opening without much regard for the science, AFAICT. So the rest of us are just waiting for the numbers to start rising again. It seems to me to be more or less inevitable. We now have far more people dead due to this virus than we had American soldiers die in Vietnam, and we are likely to double the Vietnam number, and the collective response of the country is a large yawn coupled with a denial of the basic facts. We're on to the next news story, and "Obamagate" is more interesting.

      I am truly tired of living here.
      I'm scared of living here. Too many people have fallen for this panic over the virus. Most people will do whatever corrupt Fauci recommends for the people. Minds have been shutdown so that they only hear the voices of panic and false claims in the name of science. We have stupidly given up our economy for this. Nor are we given any expectation that governors will give up their dictatorships any time soon. Nothing here is recognizable as a free society anymore.

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      • Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
        I am truly tired of living here.
        Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
        But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
        Than a fool in the eyes of God


        From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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        • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
          I can't help but be reminded of this whenever an atheist quotes Scripture:

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          The Bible is not really suitable for Christians; they read too much into it, they get carried away, and their imagination runs riot. It gets them overexcited on Sundays.

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          • Lower... and assuming you are in good health. The numbers are not just about age - they are also about health. So they differ by age, income class, race, and several other demographics. And across the board they are still above the comparable numbers for the flu. Further, the more the virus spreads, the more these vulnerable groups are at risk.

            The science is actually fairly clear - and the results of premature "opening" will be inevitable. But I'm sure no one will be convinced until it happens - and then when it happens, something else will be to blame.
            The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

            I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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            • Originally posted by mikewhitney View Post
              I'm scared of living here. Too many people have fallen for this panic over the virus. Most people will do whatever corrupt Fauci recommends for the people. Minds have been shutdown so that they only hear the voices of panic and false claims in the name of science. We have stupidly given up our economy for this. Nor are we given any expectation that governors will give up their dictatorships any time soon. Nothing here is recognizable as a free society anymore.
              To the boys of WWII: we need you to storm the beaches. Thousands of you will die.
              Response from the boys of WWII: We understand. We'll do it!

              To the modern people of the U.S.: We need you to stay home as much as you can, wear masks if you need to go out, and practice social distancing.
              Response from the modern people of the U.S.: How DARE you. You're turning our country into a dictatorship!
              The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

              I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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              • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                Don't cry, MM. I'll still be online...
                The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

                I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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                • Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
                  To the boys of WWII: we need you to storm the beaches. Thousands of you will die.
                  Response from the boys of WWII: We understand. We'll do it!

                  To the modern people of the U.S.: We need you to stay home as much as you can, wear masks if you need to go out, and practice social distancing.
                  Response from the modern people of the U.S.: How DARE you. You're turning our country into a dictatorship!
                  That is not exactly the balanced metaphor I had expected from you. You are just saying that our soldiers fought in the trenches and stormed the enemy for our peace. We now forsake that image and just cower in fear in our homes. That hardly inspires the valor on the level of the soldiers in WWII.

                  You can try to make another analogy. Make it inspirational next time.
                  Last edited by mikewhitney; 05-17-2020, 08:00 PM.

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                  • Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
                    Lower... and assuming you are in good health. The numbers are not just about age - they are also about health. So they differ by age, income class, race, and several other demographics. And across the board they are still above the comparable numbers for the flu. Further, the more the virus spreads, the more these vulnerable groups are at risk.
                    The science is actually fairly clear - and the results of premature "opening" will be inevitable. But I'm sure no one will be convinced until it happens - and then when it happens, something else will be to blame.
                    "The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
                    GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy

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                    • According to CDC more than 1/3 of cases are age 44 and younger.

                      And what RWNJ always ignore is the fact that *many* who survive suffer from permanent health issues, such as kidney / lung damage and the like. Many don't die but also don't just "get better."

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                      • Originally posted by DivineOb View Post
                        According to CDC more than 1/3 of cases are age 44 and younger.

                        And what RWNJ always ignore is the fact that *many* who survive suffer from permanent health issues, such as kidney / lung damage and the like. Many don't die but also don't just "get better."
                        The number of cases is a totally useless number. The numbers become significant basically when someone has a severe case which requires hospitalization. People do not seem to catch on to this important point.

                        Basically the number of cases just is a function of how many people are tested (or are presumed to have it). If a state does more tests, poof! They have more cases.

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                        • Originally posted by mikewhitney View Post
                          The number of cases is a totally useless number. The numbers become significant basically when someone has a severe case which requires hospitalization. People do not seem to catch on to this important point.

                          Basically the number of cases just is a function of how many people are tested (or are presumed to have it). If a state does more tests, poof! They have more cases.
                          Take it up with LPoE who said it was < 15% of confirmed cases are for those < *55* (when in reality it's > 33% of cases for those <= *44*).

                          The data isn't perfect but it's the data we have. Get Trump to test more and we'll have better data :).

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                          • Originally posted by DivineOb View Post
                            Take it up with LPoE who said it was < 15% of confirmed cases are for those < *55* (when in reality it's > 33% of cases for those <= *44*).

                            The data isn't perfect but it's the data we have. Get Trump to test more and we'll have better data :).
                            More data is just more useless numbers here unless people are severely ill because of this. Why collect more data? Have you not figured out that the additional tests are meaningless?

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                            • Originally posted by mikewhitney View Post
                              More data is just more useless numbers here unless people are severely ill because of this. Why collect more data? Have you not figured out that the additional tests are meaningless?
                              "When ignorance becomes a virtue we have truly failed our children." -- Probably someone other than me

                              Sheesh

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                              • Originally posted by DivineOb View Post
                                "When ignorance becomes a virtue we have truly failed our children." -- Probably someone other than me

                                Sheesh
                                You need to improve your self image here. We will keep trying to help you get smarter.

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