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[carpedm9587]

You just made his point ...

Pretty much...

[NorrinRadd]

You just made his point ...

You're welcome.

[Mountain Man]

And you wonder why I dont read Breitbart. Sure its no worse than the flu. That's why 26 of 80 residents in the nearby nursing home died when covid 19 found them. That is why my friend a littke younger than me died when covid 19 fiund her.That is why after just a few months more people have died of this thing than the worst flu years over a full 5 to 6 month flu season - and that with intense social distancing hampering its spread.. And why morgues overflowed in NYC and they had to bring in freezer trucks to hold the extra bodies.

I dont read breitbart because they are idiots, and so are you for continuing to try to pretend this thing is no big deal.

Breitbart cites facts and expert opinion. You cite personal anecdotes.

Yes, lots of people are dying, but that's because lots of people have contacted it and not because it's necessarily more deadly. I'm reasonably certain both of my 70-year old parents contacted the China flu earlier this year because they had all the symptoms, but they recovered without treatment or complications, so it's not a guaranteed death sentence.

[firstfloor]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...691_story.html

[oxmixmudd]

Breitbart cites facts and expert opinion. You cite personal anecdotes.

Yes, lots of people are dying, but that's because lots of people have contacted it and not because it's necessarily more deadly. I'm reasonably certain both of my 70-year old parents contacted the China flu earlier this year because they had all the symptoms, but they recovered without treatment or complications, so it's not a guaranteed death sentence.

26 out of 80 at a nursing home is not an anecdote. It's a simple fact. Mortality for people overv70 is 13% in Maryland, and over 20% for people over 80. What happened in NYC is not an anecdote either. The inaccuracy in your summaries of my posts is beyond what can be excused as mere ignorance.

As I said, people pretending or suggesting the facts support the idea this is no worse than the flu are basically just idiots. But they are dangerous idiots, because their foolish lack of willingness to face reality will cost the lives of people that are influenced by them.

[oxmixmudd]

Breitbart cites facts and expert opinion. You cite personal anecdotes.

Yes, lots of people are dying, but that's because lots of people have contacted it and not because it's necessarily more deadly. I'm reasonably certain both of my 70-year old parents contacted the China flu earlier this year because they had all the symptoms, but they recovered without treatment or complications, so it's not a guaranteed death sentence.

I just have to point out the mensa level reasoning here. MM's parents were sick 'earlier this year' so he arbitrarily and without any real evidence convinces himself this was covid after all, and they, they aren't dead, so 26 out of 80 dead in a nursing home, a story repeated over and over again across the country, is not an indicator of the severity of this disease that should be heeded or responded to with any real urgency, after all, it's "not a guaranteed《death sentence".

Just brilliant.

[carpedm9587]

I just have to point out the mensa level reasoning here. MM's parents were sick 'earlier this year' so he arbitrarily and without any real evidence convinces himself this was covid after all, and they, they aren't dead, so 26 out of 80 dead in a nursing home, a story repeated over and over again across the country, is not an indicator of the severity of this disease that should be heeded or responded to with any real urgency, after all, it's "not a guaranteed《death sentence".

Just brilliant.

This is a form of argumentation I encounter here often. A claim is made about a statistical event/probability, and to support the claim a single example is cited. I have often responded to such arguments by noting that an example is not an argument in such a context. If you are going to make a statistical claim (e.g., this disease is not severe), you cannot support that claim by noting that "Person X had it and did not die." You need to have statistical evidence to make a statistical claim. That means data gather across an adequate sample size where the Law of Large Numbers applies.

But, usually, that just falls on deaf ears. I have come to the conclusion that most folks here simply do not understand data and statistics. That was amply demonstrated in discussions about the accuracy of the 2016 polls. That being said - most of the media didn't understand polling either, so ...

[DivineOb]

Breitbart cites facts and expert opinion. You cite personal anecdotes.

Yes, lots of people are dying, but that's because lots of people have contacted it and not because it's necessarily more deadly. I'm reasonably certain both of my 70-year old parents contacted the China flu earlier this year because they had all the symptoms, but they recovered without treatment or complications, so it's not a guaranteed death sentence.

This also ignores the fact that many who require hospitalization will suffer lifelong organ damage (lung, kidney, heart I've heard of but it probably goes further than that). So even people who recover might have seriously compromised quality of life.

[little_monkey]

According to Dr. Inglesby of the John Hopkins University, counting those who are at high risk - people over 60 and those with preconditions- they make up 90 millions of Americans. For those who argue that this virus won't affect them that much - I can only guess these people are not in the class of high risk - then just consider this: if most of these 90 million people die in the next 6 months, just think what that will do to the economy?!? The 1930's Depreciation would then be a footnote compare to this catastrophe.

[carpedm9587]

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[NorrinRadd]

According to Dr. Inglesby of the John Hopkins University, counting those who are at high risk - people over 60 and those with preconditions- they make up 90 millions of Americans.

Annoyingly, the CDC has at least two different PSAs giving different ages for the "high-risk" group -- 60 and 65.

If it's 60, I'm in the high-risk group, especially because of preconditions (significant HBP; obesity, though an Urgent Care doctor I saw recently in regard to an infection didn't think so; taking ACE inhibitors, though some now speculate they may actually be slightly protective).

For those who argue that this virus won't affect them that much - I can only guess these people are not in the class of high risk - then just consider this: if most of these 90 million people die in the next 6 months, just think what that will do to the economy?!? The 1930's Depreciation would then be a footnote compare to this catastrophe.

I am an advocate for ending lock-down and getting practices back to pre Wu-WHO Flu norms ASAP. I am in the high-risk group.

As to whether the virus will affect my group "much" -- where is there any data that remotely suggests that other in a low-quality nursing home setting, "most" people in my group would die?

[oxmixmudd]

Annoyingly, the CDC has at least two different PSAs giving different ages for the "high-risk" group -- 60 and 65.

If it's 60, I'm in the high-risk group, especially because of preconditions (significant HBP; obesity, though an Urgent Care doctor I saw recently in regard to an infection didn't think so; taking ACE inhibitors, though some now speculate they may actually be slightly protective).




I am an advocate for ending lock-down and getting practices back to pre Wu-WHO Flu norms ASAP. I am in the high-risk group.

As to whether the virus will affect my group "much" -- where is there any data that remotely suggests that other in a low-quality nursing home setting, "most" people in my group would die?

Being willing to take a risk does not confer the right to demand others take the same risk.

[firstfloor]

[little_monkey]

...where is there any data that remotely suggests that other in a low-quality nursing home setting, "most" people in my group would die?

Hard to find data that separates death rate between nursing and non-nursing cases. I did get one from the UK: population >60 is around 24%, the death rate among >60 in nursing homes, 64%. It did not say if these were low-quality nursing homes.

[NorrinRadd]

Being willing to take a risk does not confer the right to demand others take the same risk.

They can choose to stay home and hide in the closet.

Is there any hard evidence that stringent lockdown -- or any other measures -- will have a significant effect on the area under the bell curve?