Coronavirus Outbreak...

[Mountain Man]

No not remotely the point carpedm9587 is making.

I didn't say it was the point he was making, it's the point I'm making, and carpe agrees with me even though he would be loathe to admit it.

Since he likes to falsely accuse me of supposedly altering the meaning of something he said by taking it out of context, here is the entire paragraph:

I have no clue how the database on which all of this functions is managed maintained, and what its degree of detail is. Does it include patient IDs, infection start/end dates? Or are they simply aggregating numbers from multiple sources and depending on the sources for accuracy. I suspect the latter.

Again I say, exactly my point.

So when I ask, "How many people in the US are actually sick with the Wuhan flu at this exact moment?" the answer is "Based on the data, we think it could be X, but we really don't know."

Why are you guys so unwilling to acknowledge the uncertainty? I have my suspicions why (treating science as if it is a source of absolute truth) but that's a topic for another day.

[shunyadragon]

Don't bother. I don't anymore. MM selectively edits out everything except what he wants to highlight, and then declares victory. It's his SOP. Engaging with it is pointless and just sidetracks the discussion to his nonsense.

I keep my posts brief in this case, and do not engage in hamster cage wheel arguments.

[lilpixieofterror]

I didn't say it was the point he was making, it's the point I'm making, and carpe agrees with me even though he would be loathe to admit it.

Since he likes to falsely accuse me of supposedly altering the meaning of something he said by taking it out of context, here is the entire paragraph:

I have no clue how the database on which all of this functions is managed maintained, and what its degree of detail is. Does it include patient IDs, infection start/end dates? Or are they simply aggregating numbers from multiple sources and depending on the sources for accuracy. I suspect the latter.

Again I say, exactly my point.

So when I ask, "How many people in the US are actually sick with the Wuhan flu at this exact moment?" the answer is "Based on the data, we think it could be X, but we really don't know."

Why are you guys so unwilling to acknowledge the uncertainty? I have my suspicions why (treating science as if it is a source of absolute truth) but that's a topic for another day.

[Mountain Man]

I do wonder how much they're responding to the person asking the question and not the question itself.

[oxmixmudd]

I like Maryland's Republican Governor. He reminds me of the GOP I used to be able to support, not these Trump sycophants that dominate the party today:

Speaking about a 'reopen' protest on Saturday:

https://www.wbaltv.com/article/gover...land/32357258#



Love it.

Hogan has struck a very good balance between respect for the science, valuing people's lives, and fiscal responsibility. Too bad the majority of Republicans have abandoned such well reasoned policies and actions.

[carpedm9587]

I like Maryland's Republican Governor. He reminds me of the GOP I used to be able to support, not these Trump sycophants that dominate the party today:

Speaking about a 'reopen' protest on Saturday:

https://www.wbaltv.com/article/gover...land/32357258#



Love it.

Hogan has struck a very good balance between respect for the science, valuing people's lives, and fiscal responsibility. Too bad the majority of Republicans have abandoned such well reasoned policies and actions.

What I do not understand is the significant number of these protests I have seen that have featured long guns, assault rifles, Nazi symbolism, etc. One would think that such things would detract from these protests, not attract people to them.

We live in a very different world where things we used to consider ugly are now simply "mainstream."

[oxmixmudd]

Pix, meat packing plants all over the country are having problems with workers getting sick and dying. It's the environment they work in, and it is the owner's responsibility to remedy that. This is a historically abusive work environment with little real regulation. The owners can make equipment available, and they can spend the money to adjust the process so that it is more protective of the workers health. And they can train the workers on proper use of equipment (and enforce those same policies). These owners have spent decades abusing their workers, and now it is a matter of life and death that they stop.


Your continued attempts to put the blame the workers is immoral and embarrassing.

[oxmixmudd]

What I do not understand is the significant number of these protests I have seen that have featured long guns, assault rifles, Nazi symbolism, etc. One would think that such things would detract from these protests, not attract people to them.

We live in a very different world where things we used to consider ugly are now simply "mainstream."

And we have our President and his supporters to thank for it. That is who he is (a person that by his words and actions gives these sorts of people permission to come out of hiding). That is who many of them are.

[oxmixmudd]

Exactly my point.

Some of us actually do have a direct line into the source of that data and those that have coded the websites that display it. And you are simply displaying your ignorance and fantasy driven hopes that there is something 'fishy' out there that will somehow prove this is not real.

[firstfloor]

Excellent news. Congratulations.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...rus-update-us/

[oxmixmudd]

Excellent news. Congratulations.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...rus-update-us/

OMG - what an idiot!

[carpedm9587]

OMG - what an idiot!

Agreed.

They seem to think the virus will be susceptible to "media spin."

Unfortunately - it won't.

[NorrinRadd]

What I do not understand is the significant number of these protests I have seen that have featured long guns, assault rifles, Nazi symbolism, etc. One would think that such things would detract from these protests, not attract people to them.

We live in a very different world where things we used to consider ugly are now simply "mainstream."

How many of these alleged occurrences of "Nazi symbolism" are real, and how many are leftist forgeries, like this one near me?

[Mountain Man]

OMG - what an idiot!

Agreed.

They seem to think the virus will be susceptible to "media spin."

Unfortunately - it won't.

Pence says that the task force "could be disbanded within a month" -- which is logically equivalent to saying that it could not be disbanded within a month -- but you guys are acting like he said it definitely will be.

See, this is a textbook example of that bias you guys are blind to that I keep warning you about.

[oxmixmudd]

Pence says that the task force "could be disbanded within a month" -- which is logically equivalent to saying that it could not be disbanded within a month -- but you guys are acting like he said it definitely will be.

See, this is a textbook example of that bias you guys are blind to that I keep warning you about.

No - it's a play into what Trump wants to be true. Given that many states are still growing their daily case count and have not yet reached their peak, given that the expectation is there will be a resurgence, given we are nowhere near establishing sufficient testing and tracing infrastructure - especially since states are jumping the gun on reopening - ANY discussion of disbanding the task force is idiotic.