Coronavirus Outbreak...

[firstfloor]

[Roy]

Ouch! Roy has been out nitpicked!

If only she were correct...

[firstfloor]

Everyone except Trump and quite a few scientifically illiterate Repubs. knows that as soon as restrictions are relaxed, the virus will spread more quickly again. This is why talk about being over the peak is so dangerous. You have to have major surveillance and prophylactic measures in place, and new codes of behaviour in force, before you resume the new normal. A vaccine is still a long way off.

[firstfloor]

I suppose that's one way to spin it.

Another way is that Trump was right.

Still another is that the models and experts have been wrong this whole time, and this thing was never going to get as bad as originally predicted

You will be delighted to know that Trump is desperate to enrol your services (along with your fellow Americans) in a little social experiment, to test your ideas. Good luck.

[NorrinRadd]

This is very hopeful:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/14/healt...ing/index.html

Source: above

On Friday, Dr. Mangala Narasimhan received an urgent call. A man in his 40s with Covid-19 was in a dire situation, and her colleague wanted her to come the intensive care unit at Long Island Jewish Hospital to see if he needed to be put on life support.

Before I come over there, Narasimhan told the other doctor, try turning the patient over onto his stomach and see if that helps. Narasimhan didn't need to go the ICU. The flip worked.
Doctors are finding that placing the sickest coronavirus patients on their stomachs -- called prone positioning - helps increase the amount of oxygen that's getting to their lungs.


"We're saving lives with this, one hundred percent," said Narasimhan, the regional director for critical care at Northwell Health, which owns 23 hospitals in New York. "It's such a simple thing to do, and we've seen remarkable improvement. We can see it for every single patient."

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If we -- "moderns" -- were not so conditioned to jump to drugs and machinery, this probably would have been discovered weeks or months ago. It's as simple as, "Say, I wonder what would happen if we..."

[carpedm9587]

I keep thinking we might be on a down-slope, but U.S cases and U.S. deaths are back on the ascent (i.e., day-to-day increasing) for the past two days. Not only that, but we had more new cases reported yesterday than the next seven countries combined, including Spain, UK, France, Turkey, Russia, Brazil, and Italy. Combined, they have a population that is more than double that of the U.S., so the "they have a smaller population" argument kind of falls flat. Could it be the tests? The U.S has done 9,845 tests per million citizens and these countries have collectively done 6,717 tests per million citizens. So their testing is 68.2% of ours. Testing could be a factor. Unfortunately, I did not trap the day-to-day testing data, so I'll look at that tonight. Since they have been gaining on us, I suspect their day-to-day testing is now higher than ours, which would put the testing argument to bed too.

[Cow Poke]

I keep thinking ....

Don't ever stop.

[Roy]

I keep thinking we might be on a down-slope, but U.S cases and U.S. deaths are back on the ascent (i.e., day-to-day increasing) for the past two days. Not only that, but we had more new cases reported yesterday than the next seven countries combined, including Spain, UK, France, Turkey, Russia, Brazil, and Italy. Combined, they have a population that is more than double that of the U.S., so the "they have a smaller population" argument kind of falls flat. Could it be the tests? The U.S has done 9,845 tests per million citizens and these countries have collectively done 6,717 tests per million citizens. So their testing is 68.2% of ours.

But their total testing is more than the US, and Brazil skews the numbers a lot.

[NorrinRadd]

In a similar vein, he also decided that his name had to be on all of the stimulus checks, something that is apparently unprecedented. He doesn't even have signing authority because the desire is for such payments to be nonpartisan.

This is such a blatant campaign move, it's unbelievable. I hope Americans are suitably outraged. I try to imagine the reaction from the right if Obama had done this for the 2009 stimulus and it is hard to imagine them NOT losing their minds...

Bad Orange Man gets an eye-roll and SMH from me, but no "outrage."

[Cow Poke]

No, I've said I don't understand how Christians can support certain things Trump is doing or has done.

I hereby do solemnly swear (or affirm), freely and without any coercion, mental reservation or purpose of evasion, that I do not support certain things Trump is doing or has done.

Are we friends now?

[oxmixmudd]

Bad Orange Man gets an eye-roll and SMH from me, but no "outrage."

Of course not. Why would Donald Trump be subject to the standards all other presidents have been held to.

[NorrinRadd]

I'm a 'heathen' so my opinion is of little value with regards to what I do or do not agree with, but I have found this whole sorry episode over the last 3+ years to be mildly confusing.

Originally, Trump was the result of 'least worst option' as far as many people on here were concerned - the SCOTUS being their key issue ('Hillary isn't POTUS, SCOTUS isn't Hillary's'). I do actually understand the reasoning for that- though naturally I disagree with the values concerned in wishing it.

What I don't understand is the same people who voted Trump as the least worst option have spent the last 3+ years defending him over actions that they clearly would have jumped all over an ideological political opponent for - evidenced by the anger over many of Obama's actions during his tenure which don't reach anywhere near the level of Trump's.

There has been some half-hearted 'I wish he wouldn't tweet so much/he can be a jack-ass sometimes' admissions, but I would have thought that voting him in to score a SCOTUS position doesn't stop them from then hold him to account for actions outside of that. I'd have actually pictured more posts such as that from Ox over the last 3+ years instead.

This has been addressed many times, but I'll have another go:

In the Primaries, my picks were Lyin' Ted Cruz and Carly "Look at that face!" Fiorina. I despised Bad Orange Man.

But Bad Orange Man won the nomination.

In the General, it was not so much a "least worst" scenario, as (to me) that suggests several (i.e. more than two) viable candidates from which to choose. Practically speaking, the U.S. is a *2* party system.

SCOTUS gets most of the mentions, but to most Evangelicals (if there is a difference between "Evangelical" and "evangelical," I don't know what it is) the primary issue is abortion. Many of us would never ever vote for a pro-choice candidate under any circumstances. So the choice was not between Bad Orange Man and Crooked Hil, it was between Bad Orange Man and leaving the POTUS slot blank.

I prayed about the matter at length, and decided at literally the last moment, while in the booth, to vote for Bad Orange Man. Honestly, one thing that motivated me was the literally crazy reaction and opposition he evoked from the media and the Swamp.

Since his coronation, there is very little that he's done that has bothered me. The things he *says* are all over the place. I frankly do not find them as troubling as many do, but a bit better filtering would be nice.

I defend him because I see that most of his opposition is crazed, perverse, ignorant, dishonest. As long as I see him getting more opposition than he deserves, I'll give him more defense than he deserves.

[Cow Poke]

Of course not. Why would Donald Trump be subject to the standards all other presidents have been held to.

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[carpedm9587]

Bad Orange Man gets an eye-roll and SMH from me, but no "outrage."

I'm not surprised, Norrin.

[oxmixmudd]

I hereby do solemnly swear (or affirm), freely and without any coercion, mental reservation or purpose of evasion, that I do not support certain things Trump is doing or has done.

Are we friends now?

Are you wanting to be friends?

Assuming you do, understand you will not be able to count on my support when you demean others on this board.