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The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by Roy View PostComfort seems an ideal option for a CV-19 isolation hospital. Why not fill it with infected people, much like London is doing with the conference centre, but better because it's already set up for medical care?
ETA: I should have checked those numbers before posting. They apparently have 80 ICU beds, not 8. That makes your idea pretty good, so the only other reason I can think of is that all NYC hospitals are currently dealing with Covid-19 and this is a theoretically Covid-free hospital space.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by NorrinRadd View PostPosting this without yet having read beyond Page 230...
Speaking as someone who has family and friends with multiple risk factors, and who himself has multiple risk factors (male, weeks away from age 60, BMI 31, HBP, taking ACE inhibitor, chronic cough), I find nothing with which I disagree in this article.
Gist is contained in the title: Accepting 2 million deaths may be better than lockdown.
Yes - some businesses will never re-open. But some will and others businesses will arise to replace the ones that don't reopen. In the time between now and when all of this is behind us, new businesses will spring up to deal with the current reality and harness the available workforce. And when this is over, we will still need restaurants and someone will open them and hire people. The same will be true of pretty much everything that is "temporarily" shut down. And then there will be the inevitable baby boom!
Frankly, China is well on its way to becoming the new superpower, largely due to Trump's withdrawal of the U.S. from that nasty "globalism." That vacuum was inevitably going to be filled, and China has already been filling it for the past 3+ years. They were working in that direction long before Trump - but Trump just basically handed them the car keys and walked off.Last edited by carpedm9587; 04-06-2020, 08:51 PM.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by NorrinRadd View PostFauci is the enemy.
At this point, I still agree with Tucker that Fauci's main problem is his narrow focus. But it's becoming increasingly clear that his instinct for solving problems is statism. Plus, he's been way too dismissive and resistant toward hydroxychloroquine.
It's time for Bad Orange Man to recruit some new members for the Task Force -- maybe Dr. David Katz, Dr. John Ioannidis, and Dr. Stephen Smith -- and put them in front of the camera, while Fauci stands back grimacing and rolling his eyes.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostLiberals have accused Trump of having a vested financial interest in promoting this treatment. I assume Adam Schiff has the evidence and will let us see it some day.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostLiberals have accused Trump of having a vested financial interest in promoting this treatment. I assume Adam Schiff has the evidence and will let us see it some day.
If hydroxychloroquine becomes an accepted treatment, several pharmaceutical companies stand to profit, including shareholders and senior executives with connections to the president. Mr. Trump himself has a small personal financial interest in Sanofi, the French drugmaker that makes Plaquenil, the brand-name version of hydroxychloroquine.
In any case, the reason he promotes it has less to do with his financial stake and more to do with his malignant narcissism but you already knew that,
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostThe attacks against Fauci from the right were pretty much inevitable. He is contradicting Mr. Trump and that simply cannot stand. I am surprised he has lasted this long. I'll be really surprised if he survives the week.
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Originally posted by seanD View PostI honestly don't know why Trump picked him the first place. Did he not do a background check prior? If anything, there was an obvious political conflict of interest. It seems the person who wrote the article NR linked to had more info on this guy than they did.
I actually came across this weeks ago but didn't think much of it because Trump tends to pick people based on their qualifications and isn't much concerned with any personal differences he might have with them. While this seems to work well enough in the business world where everybody has the same agenda (that is, make money), it doesn't work so well in politics, and I'm not sure why Trump hasn't seemed to figure that out.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostWhile Hillary was secretary of state, Fauci sent her emails mentioning how much he loved her. Seriously.
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I actually came across this weeks ago but didn't think much of it because Trump tends to pick people based on their qualifications and isn't much concerned with any personal differences he might have with them. While this seems to work well enough in the business world where everybody has the same agenda (that is, make money), it doesn't work so well in politics, and I'm not sure why Trump hasn't seemed to figure that out.
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Originally posted by Watermelon View PostSo are you saying that Fauci is contradicting Trump because of political differences?Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostWhile Hillary was secretary of state, Fauci sent her emails mentioning how much he loved her. Seriously.
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https://theconservativetreehouse.com...ical-dr-fauci/
I actually came across this weeks ago but didn't think much of it because Trump tends to pick people based on their qualifications and isn't much concerned with any personal differences he might have with them. While this seems to work well enough in the business world where everybody has the same agenda (that is, make money), it doesn't work so well in politics, and I'm not sure why Trump hasn't seemed to figure that out.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostI think Fauci probably has his own agenda that is not aligned with Trump's, but I don't suspect he harbors any ill will towards the President.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostAnd this kind of thinking is why it is so hard for anyone with experience and knowledge to survive in the Trump administration.
Tucker Carlson is NOT a doctor or any sort of truly knowledgeable person wrt epidemiology and the pathology of disease or the correct methods for establishing the effectiveness of a medicine to treat a disease and the reasons we have to protocols we do for evaluating drugs the way we do (e.g. so people don't die or suffer permanent damage worse than the disease itself). To let him drive policy wrt Fauci or to ignore Fauci's reluctance to jump on the hydroxychloroquine bandwagon is just ignorance. I mean, hydroxychloroquine might work, but hey a stopped clock is right twice a day too. But you'd never know when w/o a working clock.
Shooting from the hip is how we got here. Assuming you or Tucker or Trump's 'gut' is going to figure this out, or that anyone with knowledge of the situation that is reluctant to follow Trump's lead is necessarily some political paria is how we got here. Fauci is resitent because of what he knows about science and medicine. Don't play politics with medical knowledge and disease.
Regarding HCQ, Trump and Tucker did not just pull the idea out of their respective hindparts. Nor did Laura Ingraham. It is being *widely* used and recommended by doctors worldwide. Many doctors themselves are using it prophylactically. If there's anything wrong with the way Bad Orange Man is recommending it, it is that he's saying, "Hey, if you're dying, what have you got to lose?" But the fact is, infectious disease expert Dr. Stephen Smith (one of Laura's go-to guys) has observed that results are better when it is used *early* in the course of the illness, rather than waiting until things are desperate. Dr. Oz has been recommending it for weeks; he had been quite deferential to Fauci's cautiousness (to use a euphemism), until a day or so ago.
And none of this has anything to do with the article itself. The point of the article is that the author has observed Fauci's methodology and personal associations for over 30 years, and found him to be a committed leftist.
will you never learn?Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostThe attacks against Fauci from the right were pretty much inevitable. He is contradicting Mr. Trump and that simply cannot stand. I am surprised he has lasted this long. I'll be really surprised if he survives the week.
Fauci is a legitimate expert and his input can be valuable. But his focus is too narrow (infectious disease), and his approach is too inclined toward researcher as opposed to clinician. He needs to be balanced more by experts who are interested in actually treating the disease NOW, and by experts on the mental and physical health effects of quarantine, unemployment, etc.
He has been ignorantly dismissive of both HCQ therapy (seeming to conflate "not conclusively proven" with "no evidence at all") and the dangers of shutdown and lockdown ("inconvenient").Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.
Beige Federalist.
Nationalist Christian.
"Everybody is somebody's heretic."
Social Justice is usually the opposite of actual justice.
Proud member of the this space left blank community.
Would-be Grand Vizier of the Padishah Maxi-Super-Ultra-Hyper-Mega-MAGA King Trumpius Rex.
Justice for Ashli Babbitt!
Justice for Matthew Perna!
Arrest Ray Epps and his Fed bosses!
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