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  • Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
    Oh we have already heard the attacks from the right. Why do you think he's got more security?
    "The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
    GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy

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    • Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
      Oh we have already heard the attacks from the right. Why do you think he's got more security?
      The MSM immediately jumps onto the idea that it must be due to critics on the right but he has more than a few on the left who regard him as Trump's puppet or stooge etc. You can look right here at shuny's posts concerning him. Just more than a little venomous.

      I'm always still in trouble again

      "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
      "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
      "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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      • Exactly what I was thinking. Sean should be ashamed of himself... tsk tsk tsk...



        The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

        I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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        • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
          The MSM immediately jumps onto the idea that it must be due to critics on the right but he has more than a few on the left who regard him as Trump's puppet or stooge etc. You can look right here at shuny's posts concerning him. Just more than a little venomous.
          "The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
          GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy

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          • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
            The MSM immediately jumps onto the idea that it must be due to critics on the right but he has more than a few on the left who regard him as Trump's puppet or stooge etc. You can look right here at shuny's posts concerning him. Just more than a little venomous.
            Actually - I have to withdraw my comment. I thought I had read about the threats coming from the right, but I just went back and all of the reports say that the source of the threats has not been identified at this time. Fauci has been attacked in the media from some of the more far-right media outlets, and I must have conflated that with the other reports. My bad.
            The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

            I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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            • Not sure why I am supposed to admonish Shuny? I haven't seen any of his posts. If you link the apparently offensive ones, I'll take a look.
              The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

              I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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              • It's not Democrats, Republicans, liberals, or conservatives that are perpetrating acts of violence - it is extremists. And they exist at both ends of the political spectrum. However, before you throw too many stones, you should look closely at which end of the political spectrum the majority of them reside.

                From the Atlantic:



                People who live in glass houses should not throw stones.
                The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

                I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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                • The flu kills between 11K and 64K each year, with an average of about 34K. We are only 2-3 days away from that bottom number, and we will have achieved that horrific milestone in a period of 3 weeks, as compared with a 4-6 month flu season. 8,395 of the 8,452 current deaths have occurred in the last 21 days.

                  For those still beating the "it's not that serious" drum, I think you should think again.


                  ETA: and for those who plan to respond with "they are not factoring out those who died from complicating secondary issues," they don't do that for the flu numbers either. So the comparison is apples to apples. Technically, the virus itself does not kill. What kills is usually the bacterial pneumonia that results from the action of the coronavirus.
                  Last edited by carpedm9587; 04-04-2020, 07:46 PM.
                  The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

                  I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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                  • Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                    That depends on where you live. I don't think I could support my family on $50k a year here, and I live in the least developed area near DC. I don't make a whole lot more than that, and my mortgage is essentially half my monthly paycheck.

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                    • And the Dayton shooter last Summer was also a fanboi of Sanders as well as Warren. And in spite of desperate attempts to link the El Paso shooter to Trump he was a leftist as well.

                      While one needs to twist things into a pretzel in order to blame Trump to any act of violence the left always remains as quiet as a church mouse about all the violence that can be directly linked to liberals and their virulent rhetoric.

                      Let's start with James Hodgkinson who actually very specifically targeted Republicans[1] before opening fire on them as they practiced for the annual Congressional Baseball Game for Charity. This left wing activist, MSNBC News junkie (notorious for the vitriol directed at Republicans and conservatives) and Bernie Sanders campaign worker who frequently expressed his hatred toward Republicans online, critically wounded House Majority Whip Steve Scalise (R-Louisiana)[2] as well as wounding four others.

                      Then there is Sen. Rand Paul (R-Kentucky) who was attacked from behind in his backyard resulting in five rib fractures including 3 displaced fractures as well as lung contusions as he was mowing his lawn by Rene Boucher, a neighbor and supporter of the far-left Occupy movement and who's Facebook account is full of anti-Trump rants[3].

                      The MSM worked overtime pushing the attackers story that this was all about a property dispute but neighbors of both men (Boucher did not even live next door to Paul) and the neighborhood homeowners association quickly debunked that.

                      Then there is Rep. David Kustoff (Tennessee) who was nearly run off the road by a stalker, Wendi Wright, who was angry about his vote to repeal and replace Obamacare. She then confronted him when he pulled over screaming, striking the windows on Kustoff's car and even reaching inside the vehicle before finally leaving. She was later arrested after boasting of the confrontation on Facebook and charged with felony reckless endangerment.

                      Then there is Rudy Peters, who while running against Rep. Eric Swalwell (D-California) in 2018, who was assaulted by a knife-wielding attacker near a vendor's booth at the Castro Valley Fall Festival after the attacker began screaming profanity-laced remarks about the Republican party and Trump and repeatedly shouting "I'll kill you" as he attacked. Fortunately Ford was able to fend of the attacker using one of his election signs. The attacker, Farzad Fazeli, ran off but was later arrested and charged with felony assault, making criminal threats and brandishing a weapon.

                      Then there is Kristin Davison the campaign manager for Nevada GOP gubernatorial candidate Adam Laxalt who was roughed up by an operative for American Bridge 21st Century, funded by liberal billionaire George Soros, leaving her bruised.

                      Then, up in Minnesota, two Republicans were physically assaulted by assailants who were angry about their politics. State Rep. Sarah Anderson was punched when she confronted a man kicking down several of her yard signs and Minnesota House District 15b candidate Shane Mekeland was attacked during a campaign event after the assailant accused Republicans of abandoning the middle class. That attack left him with a concussion.

                      Then in Massachusetts there was Shiva Ayyadurai who was running for Senate against Elizabeth Warren and got punched by one of her supporters.

                      ."

                      And not too long ago Sen. Tim Kaine (D-Va.), who was Hillary's running mate, was on MSNBC's Morning Joe telling co-host Mika Brzezinski that Democrats needed to "fight in the streets" in order to combat the Trump Administration.

                      Apparently that is exactly what Kaine's youngest son "Woody" does as a member of Antifa and who was arrested in Minnesota for taking part in an attack on a pro-Trump rally at the state capitol resulting in the injury of a female Trump supporter and later charged with three misdemeanors. Other charges were dismissed and he made a plea deal resulting in his being sentenced to a year of probation and ordered to pay $236 fine (never hurts to have a powerful politically connected daddy).


                      Of course aggressive rhetoric of this sort is nothing new and Trump is hardly the first president to employ some. The last occupant of the White House, Barrack Obama was known to employ more than his share of it, saying things like:
                      • "If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun."
                      • "argue with your neighbors. Get in their face."
                      • "Punch back twice as hard."



                      Finally stories about people wearing MAGA hats being physically assaulted have become so common that they barely make the news these days. Heck, even when a man tries to mow down six Trump supporters with his van while they were inside a Republican Party voter registration tent in Jacksonville, Florida this past February, it was ignored by the big three network news shows.

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                      The bottom right picture shows the perpetrator's
                      vehicle driving away from the scene of the crime


                      I can not help but be reminded of Jesus' words in Matthew 7:4-5 whenever those on the left or Never Trumpers start trying to play Six Degrees of Separation in their desperate attempts to link Trump with any and every act of violence while their own hands are red with blood.












                      1. Before the shooting he asked if those out on the field were Republicans or Democrats

                      2. He was in critical condition for several days as a result of the shooting and was hospitalized for 6 weeks

                      3.
                      Last edited by rogue06; 04-04-2020, 08:19 PM.

                      I'm always still in trouble again

                      "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                      "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                      "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                      • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                        I live quite comfortably at $30K/yr. Of course I'm not that into possessions, not needing this or that latest gadget or "must have" item of the year. Of course my place is paid off and I own my car as well which makes a big difference.
                        I could probably live on $30k/yr. if my mortgage were paid off (my mortgage takes half my paycheck). I'm not into the latest thing either, my car is paid off, and I don't have cable. I am supporting 2 additional adults and a toddler at the moment, which isn't cheap.
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                        • I heard that Trump was requesting a moratorium on evictions but don't know its status.

                          I'm always still in trouble again

                          "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                          "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                          "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                          • Dunno about mortgages. There is a moratorium on turning off essential services (water, electric, gas) for non-payment.
                            Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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                            I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist

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                            • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                              And the Dayton shooter last Summer was also a fanboi of Sanders as well as Warren. And in spite of desperate attempts to link the El Paso shooter to Trump he was a leftist as well.

                              While one needs to twist things into a pretzel in order to blame Trump to any act of violence the left always remains as quiet as a church mouse about all the violence that can be directly linked to liberals and their virulent rhetoric.

                              Let's start with James Hodgkinson who actually very specifically targeted Republicans[1] before opening fire on them as they practiced for the annual Congressional Baseball Game for Charity. This left wing activist, MSNBC News junkie (notorious for the vitriol directed at Republicans and conservatives) and Bernie Sanders campaign worker who frequently expressed his hatred toward Republicans online, critically wounded House Majority Whip Steve Scalise (R-Louisiana)[2] as well as wounding four others.

                              Then there is Sen. Rand Paul (R-Kentucky) who was attacked from behind in his backyard resulting in five rib fractures including 3 displaced fractures as well as lung contusions as he was mowing his lawn by Rene Boucher, a neighbor and supporter of the far-left Occupy movement and who's Facebook account is full of anti-Trump rants[3].

                              The MSM worked overtime pushing the attackers story that this was all about a property dispute but neighbors of both men (Boucher did not even live next door to Paul) and the neighborhood homeowners association quickly debunked that.

                              Then there is Rep. David Kustoff (Tennessee) who was nearly run off the road by a stalker, Wendi Wright, who was angry about his vote to repeal and replace Obamacare. She then confronted him when he pulled over screaming, striking the windows on Kustoff's car and even reaching inside the vehicle before finally leaving. She was later arrested after boasting of the confrontation on Facebook and charged with felony reckless endangerment.

                              Then there is Rudy Peters, who while running against Rep. Eric Swalwell (D-California) in 2018, who was assaulted by a knife-wielding attacker near a vendor's booth at the Castro Valley Fall Festival after the attacker began screaming profanity-laced remarks about the Republican party and Trump and repeatedly shouting "I'll kill you" as he attacked. Fortunately Ford was able to fend of the attacker using one of his election signs. The attacker, Farzad Fazeli, ran off but was later arrested and charged with felony assault, making criminal threats and brandishing a weapon.

                              Then there is Kristin Davison the campaign manager for Nevada GOP gubernatorial candidate Adam Laxalt who was roughed up by an operative for American Bridge 21st Century, funded by liberal billionaire George Soros, leaving her bruised.

                              Then, up in Minnesota, two Republicans were physically assaulted by assailants who were angry about their politics. State Rep. Sarah Anderson was punched when she confronted a man kicking down several of her yard signs and Minnesota House District 15b candidate Shane Mekeland was attacked during a campaign event after the assailant accused Republicans of abandoning the middle class. That attack left him with a concussion.

                              Then in Massachusetts there was Shiva Ayyadurai who was running for Senate against Elizabeth Warren and got punched by one of her supporters.

                              ."

                              And not too long ago Sen. Tim Kaine (D-Va.), who was Hillary's running mate, was on MSNBC's Morning Joe telling co-host Mika Brzezinski that Democrats needed to "fight in the streets" in order to combat the Trump Administration.

                              Apparently that is exactly what Kaine's youngest son "Woody" does as a member of Antifa and who was arrested in Minnesota for taking part in an attack on a pro-Trump rally at the state capitol resulting in the injury of a female Trump supporter and later charged with three misdemeanors. Other charges were dismissed and he made a plea deal resulting in his being sentenced to a year of probation and ordered to pay $236 fine (never hurts to have a powerful politically connected daddy).

                              [ATTACH=CONFIG]43975[/ATTACH]

                              Of course aggressive rhetoric of this sort is nothing new and Trump is hardly the first president to employ some. The last occupant of the White House, Barrack Obama was known to employ more than his share of it, saying things like:
                              • "If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun."
                              • "argue with your neighbors. Get in their face."
                              • "Punch back twice as hard."



                              Finally stories about people wearing MAGA hats being physically assaulted have become so common that they barely make the news these days. Heck, even when a man tries to mow down six Trump supporters with his van while they were inside a Republican Party voter registration tent in Jacksonville, Florida this past February, it was ignored by the big three network news shows.

                              [ATTACH=CONFIG]43976[/ATTACH]
                              The bottom right picture shows the perpetrator's
                              vehicle driving away from the scene of the crime


                              I can not help but be reminded of Jesus' words in Matthew 7:4-5 whenever those on the left or Never Trumpers start trying to play Six Degrees of Separation in their desperate attempts to link Trump with any and every act of violence while their own hands are red with blood.




                              1. Before the shooting he asked if those out on the field were Republicans or Democrats

                              2. He was in critical condition for several days as a result of the shooting and was hospitalized for 6 weeks

                              3.
                              Now - if you are truly non-partisan, find and list all of the attacks from right-wing extremists to go along with this list. 49 out of 50 deaths in 2018 from the right side of the political spectrum. I haven't seen the numbers for 2019, but I hardly imagine they're that different. Here's a brief list with some statistics to get you going.

                              Or do you just like to find the ones that confirm your own narrative...?

                              I repeat - it is not liberals, conservatives, Republicans, or Democrats who practice political violence - it is extremists; and they exist on both sides.
                              Last edited by carpedm9587; 04-04-2020, 08:45 PM.
                              The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

                              I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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                              • And THAT's what I mean by "we're all in this together. Way to go Mr. Tsai!

                                Maybe, with everyone pitching in, we can fill in the gap in leadership at the top.
                                The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

                                I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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