demi on Ukraine

[demi-conservative]

All right, demi will lend a hand.

Hunter Biden was hired to the board of Burisma in 2014; Burisma's intent was pretty obviously to show legitimacy and influence in Washington. We agree it was a throughly corrupt thing -- but people ought to agree that it's also completely normal among the DC class. Heck, Trump's own attorney Pam Bondi is a registered foreign agent for Qatar and a lobbyist for Kuwait.

The difference which the wormtongue omits is that Pam Bondi being a foreign agent does not create any money flow to Trump or benefit Trump in any perceptible way, whereas Burisma paying Hunter* creates a potential money flow to Joe Biden, who had great influence over Ukraine policy**. Ergo, the prima facie case of Joe Biden being corrupt is plausible, with either himself or his son benefiting, and this has to be investigated.

Anything else?

Rule for this thread: any disputed factual claim needs to be backed by the usual Tweb standards: weblink + substantive summary/quoting. (*undisputed, ** also undisputed). Any poster violating this rule too many times will be asked to leave the thread

There are too many unsubstantiated claims in other threads on this issue, and useful discussion is almost impossible.

[DivineOb]

Qatar bailed Kushner out in 2018. So, yes, it does create a clear conflict for Trump.

[demi-conservative]

Qatar bailed Kushner out in 2018. So, yes, it does create a clear conflict for Trump.

This whataboutism, even though it is a transparent whataboutism, appears plausible. It is, however, off-topic. Start a new thread on it and I'll look into the issue and respond.

Also, thanks for implicitly conceding the point that Biden should be investigated. Q.E.D.

[Ronson]

John Kerry could easily have taken over as Obama's "point man" in Kyiv, especially since he was spending a ton of time over there. In fact, it was more in line with Kerry's job functions to be a "point man".

Why was Joe Biden doing this? When do we ever see VPs being assigned to a specific country and performing this function? And then we have Joe bragging about putting the pinch on Kyiv about receiving US aid while his son is receiving $600,000 per year from Burisma? And Democrats don't find this fishy and worth investigating?

Even John Kerry's son found this fishy back at the time and disassociated himself from Hunter Biden:

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/p...inian-oil-deal

And curiously, Obama hasn't come out to defend his ol' buddy Joe on any of this. Curious indeed.

[demi-conservative]

Why was Joe Biden doing this?

Exactly, there is a very good and obvious non-personal reason for the investigation, meaning the whole impeachment case crumbles. It's as simple as that.