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The Impeachment Trial
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Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostOfficial Ukrainian government documents say the investigation was active, something you would know if you bothered to read Mr. Solomon's in-depth and well-researched timeline. But I know you prefer your news in short, easy to digest soundbites. Whether it's true or not is secondary.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostNo, Solomon is a Trumpian stooge, and was in on the whole Ukrainian scheme.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostOfficial Ukrainian government documents say the investigation was active, something you would know if you bothered to read Mr. Solomon's in-depth and well-researched timeline. But I know you prefer your news in short, easy to digest soundbites. Whether it's true or not is secondary.
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Originally posted by seanD View PostAnd why do you think that is?
To me it looks like the head of Burisma, who was corrupt, knew he could use the son of a US VP as cover for his corruption. Then it just so happens to turn out that the same son of the US VP ordered the prosecutor investigating the company head for corruption to be fired.
The international community and the Ukrainians wanted Shokin fired.
October 31 2015 protests
https://www.kyivpost.com/article/con...in-401106.html
March 28 2016 protests
https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-prot.../27639981.html
No one questioned anyones motives for wanting Shokin fired because EVERYONE except Poroshenko wanted him gone.
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Originally posted by seanD View PostNo, that's something that someone like you would argue. But that doesn't explain away Solomon's sources that had reported that Shokin had seized Zlochevsky's assets and was moving the investigation forward right before he was ousted. For that, you'd have to conjure up the go-to "Russian stooge, Russia propaganda, Putin Ukraine, troll conspiracy theory, yada, yada..."
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Originally posted by JimL View PostZlochevsky's assets were actually siezed in 2015 and by 2016 Shokin was no longer even on that case. So, no, his ousting had nothing to do with Burisma.
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Nadler says that if the Senate votes to hear from witnesses that he wants to call...
...John Kelly?
His reasoning is that because Kelly says he believes Bolton that he must therefore have relevant knowledge about Trump's dealings with Ukraine even though Kelly was no longer part of the Trump administration at the time.
Yeah, there's a reason Shifty tried to keep Nadler away from the microphone during that one press conference.Last edited by Mountain Man; 01-28-2020, 07:46 PM.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostKen Starr: "And so the appropriate question. Were crimes alleged in the articles in the common law of Presidential Impeachment?
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostKen did a great job of calmly laying out the history.
Then... Prurua? Whatever his name....Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.
Beige Federalist.
Nationalist Christian.
"Everybody is somebody's heretic."
Social Justice is usually the opposite of actual justice.
Proud member of the this space left blank community.
Would-be Grand Vizier of the Padishah Maxi-Super-Ultra-Hyper-Mega-MAGA King Trumpius Rex.
Justice for Ashli Babbitt!
Justice for Matthew Perna!
Arrest Ray Epps and his Fed bosses!
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Originally posted by Tassmoron View PostYes. Bolton's draft book manuscript says Trump tied Ukraine aid freeze to political investigations. In short it was attempted extortion for Trump's personal benefit and Bolton is a first-hand witness. Blocking Bolton's testimony is a cover-up.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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