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Originally posted by seer View PostHomer, I'm not saying I agree with the South but . . .
The reality is the South started the Civil War with the Capture of the Federal Fot Sumpter and started the Civil War.
Wave your Confederate flag with pride.Last edited by shunyadragon; 01-21-2020, 10:18 PM.
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View PostActually, his thoughts were formed largely by his reading of Thoreau's "On Civil Disobedience". I did my final paper in college comp on King and Gandhi's change of strategy after they were both exposed to Thoreau.
Would MLK have done the same if Thoreau had not collected his thoughts and committed them to paper? I think so, the program of the SCLC (formed later by Men working within the church and civil rights groups) had already committed themselves to their program and were looking for a suitable spokesman. Thurgood Marshall pricked the conscience of lawyers, but was ineffective at influencing public opinion. Booker T Washington was effective with letters and the pen, but had limited impact.
The Black Christian leaders were largely separated from their brethren, white church leadership. That was more influential for King. Gandhi demonstrated the effectiveness of mass, peaceful demonstration, he broke the will of the English nation, and in a way I wonder if Thoreau really envisioned. The idea was the black man as a citizen with dignity, cementing that idea and ideal in the public conscience was the goal.
The funeral of Emmett Till cemented that idea in the American conscience. The severely damaged body of the boy was removed from the context of the south, the mother's grief was recognized as universal in a way few other lynching examples were perceived. And the picture was worth a thousand words.
The idea of Thoreau's influence ignores the history of the civil rights movement which did not start with the bus boycotts, ignores the controversies within the Body of Christ and the impact of denominationalism, and ignores the impact of the recent world war (both the reassessment of church doctrines affecting the Holocaust and the cold war's influence on civil rights). And most importantly it downplays the richness of Christian thought undergirding King's thought.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostLet me go on record as saying that my "War of Northern Aggression" schtick is just that... a schtick. I am still amazed, to this day, that our Nation came to the place of brother hating brother and families split and so many lives lost... Americans on both sides.
People who know me in real life know that in my Church work, I'm "the boss" (under Christ) and our church is majority white, though we have a good Nigerian and Hispanic contingent. (some occasional repeat visitors who are black but not Nigerian)
At work during the week, in my mission stuff, my "boss" is a black man, and so are my three immediate reports. I'm a minority at work - in a very significant way, and my "clients" are about 65% black and 25% Hispanic.
And the ONLY reason I know that is that it's required on reporting when we are dealing with federal assistance money like FEMA for hurricane recovery and other programs.
But, still, on Tweb, I'm a racist.
Yes, you are a Christian. And I am sure you have black friends, which is proof you are not racist (what is the proper number of black friends needed so that one can prove he is not racist?)
Your schtick is just fine, if you want the world to see that the church does not harbor racists or does not find common cause with racists, that racist rhetoric does not affect your conscience.
Besides, you are a Christian, and everyone knows a Christian cannot be a racist. A soul alive in Christ.
No matter how close the discussion comes to overt racism, the good Christian ought not address it, there are enemies there, atheists, Democrats, progressives, and leftists.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostThe fort was Federal property.That's what
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostThe fort was Federal property.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostThe issue is the United States and not England.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View Postbut . . . your posts indicate you do support the South has the right of succession, which is documented that the goal of the South was to preserve the institution of slavery in the name of state rights where the North was making a sincere effort to progressively end slavery in all states.
The reality is the South started the Civil War with the Capture of the Federal Fot Sumpter and started the Civil War.
Wave your Confederate flag with pride.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostNot according to the South, and that is the point.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Juvenal View PostIf this is a joke, it's in poor taste. If it's not a joke, it's unspeakably racist.
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No one else is speaking against this.
That's a problem.
I have asked if we Christians really want the faith in the public square. The moment a politician who professes the faith airs such views, the first to retreat would be Christians, at least, I hope.
If the Christian faith informs such views, allows them and encourages them, then has the faith earned its place in the public square.
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View PostNot after the secession. The US had no more right to be in the CSA's territory than we did in France after they asked our military to leave.Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostNon sequitur. France wasn't seceding from the US. Federal property in seceding states should have been the subject of negotiations, not confiscation.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostWhy? How many other Federal properties in their newly minted country would they have to negotiate for? It is like saying that England could keep a fortress overlooking the Boston harbor.
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Originally posted by seer View PostWhy? How many other Federal properties in their newly minted country would they have to negotiate for? It is like saying that England could keep a fortress overlooking the Boston harbor.Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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