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Real Clear Average - Polling for Support of Impeachment
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Meh, it's evening out.... nothing major, and certainly not "overwhelming support" or "bipartisan support"....
impeach.jpgThe first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Do they only include the 9 polls shown at the top of this page? If so it looks like they are including many polls which are very old. Of those 9 polls the 6 which which either tie or oppose removal all precede adopting the articles of impeachment and date back 2-4 weeks old. That's ancient history given how fast new news keeps coming out.Last edited by DivineOb; 01-02-2020, 12:37 AM.
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Originally posted by DivineOb View PostDo they only include the 9 polls shown at the top of this page? If so it looks like they are including many polls which are very old. Of those 9 polls the 6 which which either tie or oppose removal all precede adopting the articles of impeachment and date back 2-4 weeks old. That's ancient history given how fast new news keeps coming out.
A) We're not a pure democracy - so we don't go by "what the American people want".
2) The Framers of the Constitution were wise enough to require a SUPER-MAJORITY for matters of great importance.
C) What's more serious than "throwing out a sitting President".
So, unless and until the polling shows that TWO THIRDS of the people want Trump removed, I don't think you're going to see the Senate terribly worried about shutting it down.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostHere's what amazes me ---- the AVERAGE polling has NEVER been over, what, 49.5% in favor of removal, EVEN with 24/7 coverage? And it's trending DOWN through December, and "leveling out" in recent days. And some of the HateTrumpSquad here have declared Trump needs to be removed because "over 50% of the people" want that. In fact, they cited ONE POLL where "over 50%" of the people want Trump removed, and on THAT BASIS, they justify removal.
A) We're not a pure democracy - so we don't go by "what the American people want".
2) The Framers of the Constitution were wise enough to require a SUPER-MAJORITY for matters of great importance.
C) What's more serious than "throwing out a sitting President".
So, unless and until the polling shows that TWO THIRDS of the people want Trump removed, I don't think you're going to see the Senate terribly worried about shutting it down.
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Originally posted by Watermelon View PostI would say there are many many more serious matters than removing a sitting president.
A presidents importance is based on the position they hold, there are plenty of people capable of doing this job.
I think I'm gonna come over there and see this for myself.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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From all I have heard, you guys handle things in a much less dramatic fashion, and cooler heads seem to eventually prevail.
And if "being a jerk" were an impeachable offense, I'd be for it.
Reminds me of a pastor friend who was kicked out of his church for "stealing butter".
At least, that's the legacy --- he was a bit of a hothead, and there were constant battles, but the straw that broke the camel's back was when there was a church function, and they were out of butter, and one of the ladies knew that the pastor's wife had come next door to the church and borrowed butter from the church fridge to bake some cookies.
Nobody remembers all the squabbles --- they just remember "they stole BUTTER"!!!!The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostFrom all I have heard, you guys handle things in a much less dramatic fashion, and cooler heads seem to eventually prevail.
And if "being a jerk" were an impeachable offense, I'd be for it.
Reminds me of a pastor friend who was kicked out of his church for "stealing butter".
At least, that's the legacy --- he was a bit of a hothead, and there were constant battles, but the straw that broke the camel's back was when there was a church function, and they were out of butter, and one of the ladies knew that the pastor's wife had come next door to the church and borrowed butter from the church fridge to bake some cookies.
Nobody remembers all the squabbles --- they just remember "they stole BUTTER"!!!!Last edited by QuantaFille; 01-08-2020, 09:24 PM.
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I guess the our brains must summarise legacies into one memorable event. We do that with landmark legal cases to make it easier to remember as well. Even to this day Kevin Rudd is just remembered as a • Edited by a Moderator •Last edited by QuantaFille; 01-08-2020, 09:25 PM.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Watermelon View Post• Edited by a Moderator •Last edited by QuantaFille; 01-08-2020, 09:26 PM."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by Ronson View PostI disagree. His #1 enemy is the media. Granted, he doesn't do himself any favors with his Twitter account.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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My favorite was when some socialite scornfully scolded him for being inebriated and he quipped, "My dear you are ugly, but tomorrow I shall be sober and you will still be ugly."
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostMy favorite was when some socialite scornfully scolded him for being inebriated and he quipped, "My dear you are ugly, but tomorrow I shall be sober and you will still be ugly.""The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostMy favorite was when some socialite scornfully scolded him for being inebriated and he quipped, "My dear you are ugly, but tomorrow I shall be sober and you will still be ugly."
"You're a boor! If I was your wife, I would poison your tea!"
"And if you were my wife, madam, I would drink it."Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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