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False Idol � Why the Christian Right Worships Donald Trump
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I don't really see much comparison between Mussolini and Trump outside of the fact liberals don't like them. Heck, even if we narrow ourselves down to "prime ministers of Italy within the last century" then Silvio Berlusconi is a far more apt choice.
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Now you're just digging your ignorance hole even deeper. Baptism is not connected to redemption in the sense that it's a requirement for that. Baptism is a public symbolic act of obedience to God, a recognition of your atonement if you will. It's like wearing a wedding ring, which doesn't have any legal significance to marriage other than just a visible symbol of your devotion to another partner.Last edited by seanD; 12-09-2019, 07:24 PM.
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Originally posted by seanD View PostNow you're just digging your ignorance hole even deeper. Baptism is not connected to redemption in the sense that it's a requirement for that. Baptism is a public symbolic act of obedience to God, a recognition of your atonement if you will. It's like wearing a wedding ring, which doesn't have any legal significance to marriage other than just a visible symbol of your devotion to another partner.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostThen why do they baptise infants who have no idea what they're devoting themselves to?
Traditions that emphasise its necessity tend to practice infant baptism, those that emphasize its symbolic nature tend to practice baptism after confession of faith. This applies to those born into the faith. All churches baptize new converts after profession of faith.Last edited by oxmixmudd; 12-09-2019, 09:22 PM.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by seanD View PostWhere is it wrong? Laying on of hands is no more indicative of worship than Jesus being baptized is indicative of redemption from sin.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostYou are correct. But laying on of hands is very much associated with acceptance, approval, and blessing. And given Trumps overt lack of repentance and humility, and his abusive nature and behavior, it is not a very good message to send. The church h cant pass on such an overt and public message of approval to such a person, though its message of mercy and grace to those that do repent and seek forgiveness still applies. All are welcome, if they but repent their old ways and put on Christ.Last edited by seanD; 12-09-2019, 09:42 PM.
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Originally posted by seanD View PostI agree that's it's silly and might even be inappropriate for Christians do get THAT involved in politics, but that's just my opinion. But they always do that to any Republican potus. They did it with Bush. There's nothing exceptional about it with Trump here. It's part of political tribalism, that's all it is.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by whag View PostYou have to be blind and pig ignorant to not see televangelists literally laid hands on Trump and serve as his spiritual advisors.
...Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostThat's not worship. Ironic that you're calling MM ignorant while exposing your own ignorance.Originally posted by seanD View PostIn fact, it's just the opposite. Laying on of hands implies flaws of the one whom they're laying hands on which necessitates that action.
But I really don't see it as akin to "worship."Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.
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Originally posted by NorrinRadd View PostI have mixed views of that event, not least the fact that it was used as a photo-op. Laying on hands is a legitimate practice in Scripture, serving various purposes from healing to blessing to ordaining to ministry or leadership. I'm concerned that the "blessing" (fine and dandy) and the "ordaining" (not cool) aspects could get confounded.
But I really don't see it as akin to "worship."
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