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The Homeless Problem and Manufacturing
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The problem with this is that the government does not have the right to make slaves of people just because they are homeless.
Some people don't like being tied down to a mindless job and won';t submit themselves to such work. Other people just want to live a life without obligations to others. Other people have drug problems and may not fit well into rehab programs.
There are some people who just had too many things acting against them and can use some help to get out of this. But it will take some ingenious plan to help these people. I'm not sure we can predicate who would have the genius solution that would not just be an endless welfare scheme. One thing that could help is to get rid of minimum wage laws -- these laws block people from taking on work that may be commensurate with their needs, desires and abilities, as they try to either survive in a homeless state or to rise out of it.
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Originally posted by mikewhitney View PostThe problem with this is that the government does not have the right to make slaves of people just because they are homeless.
Some people don't like being tied down to a mindless job and won';t submit themselves to such work. Other people just want to live a life without obligations to others. Other people have drug problems and may not fit well into rehab programs.
There are some people who just had too many things acting against them and can use some help to get out of this. But it will take some ingenious plan to help these people. I'm not sure we can predicate who would have the genius solution that would not just be an endless welfare scheme. One thing that could help is to get rid of minimum wage laws -- these laws block people from taking on work that may be commensurate with their needs, desires and abilities, as they try to either survive in a homeless state or to rise out of it.
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Originally posted by whag View PostI didn't say anything about enforcement. The new manufacturing sector would be an offer of help for the many homeless who don't like living on the streets.
But, yeah, the situation needs to be addressed.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostUnderstanding, of course, that there will always be some, perhaps of the mental illness, who will live "on the streets" no matter what.
But, yeah, the situation needs to be addressed.
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Originally posted by whag View PostOf course there are. Those who prefer street living are fewer than those who want work, food, and shelter.
Not so much recently, but I remember when Houston Police would go on their "it's gonna freeze tonight, let's get you to a shelter" emphasis -- and many homeless would simply refuse to be helped. Now, it's entirely possible that it was because it was "the Police" as opposed to some aid agencies, but best efforts were made.
Then there's the problem of -- in our community, there was an entire hotel - 140 rooms - dedicated to the homeless, and local aid agencies footed the bill. The problem was that it had the effect of concentrating all the criminals and druggies in the same place, and they had greater access to crime and drugs. It was sad, and about 2 years ago, the aid agencies finally admitted defeat.
So, the big question is - when we get all these people together, how do we keep the situation from devolving to "the lowest common denominator"?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by mikewhitney View PostThe problem with this is that the government does not have the right to make slaves of people just because they are homeless.
Some people don't like being tied down to a mindless job and won';t submit themselves to such work. Other people just want to live a life without obligations to others. Other people have drug problems and may not fit well into rehab programs.
There are some people who just had too many things acting against them and can use some help to get out of this. But it will take some ingenious plan to help these people. I'm not sure we can predicate who would have the genius solution that would not just be an endless welfare scheme. One thing that could help is to get rid of minimum wage laws -- these laws block people from taking on work that may be commensurate with their needs, desires and abilities, as they try to either survive in a homeless state or to rise out of it.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostNot fighting you, Whag -- just making the point that part of the process is determining which ones actually want help, and which ones want to be left alone. Too many times, we assume things we don't know.
Not so much recently, but I remember when Houston Police would go on their "it's gonna freeze tonight, let's get you to a shelter" emphasis -- and many homeless would simply refuse to be helped. Now, it's entirely possible that it was because it was "the Police" as opposed to some aid agencies, but best efforts were made.
Then there's the problem of -- in our community, there was an entire hotel - 140 rooms - dedicated to the homeless, and local aid agencies footed the bill. The problem was that it had the effect of concentrating all the criminals and druggies in the same place, and they had greater access to crime and drugs. It was sad, and about 2 years ago, the aid agencies finally admitted defeat.
So, the big question is - when we get all these people together, how do we keep the situation from devolving to "the lowest common denominator"?
Funny, but this isn't my idea. I actually heard it from a Chinese businessman who operated the U.S. division of computer parts/electric scooter/skateboard manufacturer. He was wondering why the homeless in his area (Ontario, California) couldn't be used help establish new manufacturing in the U.S., since they--like the Chinese--could assemble simple products in exchange for a living wage. It could at least make a dent.
People don't realize that two ideologically opposed presidents--Reagan and Clinton--contributed greatly to the current mess. Reagan for closing mental institutions and Clinton for welfare reform without any real plan for the blowback.
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Originally posted by whag View PostI've heard similar stories, and to be frank, I really don't know. What we need is a genius statesman to figure it out--a truly "stable genius" who gets things done and can work the problem. If only we had that. Sarcasm tags.
Funny, but this isn't my idea. I actually heard it from a Chinese businessman who operated the U.S. division of computer parts/electric scooter/skateboard manufacturer. He was wondering why the homeless in his area (Ontario, California) couldn't be used help establish new manufacturing in the U.S., since they--like the Chinese--could assemble simple products in exchange for a living wage. It could at least make a dent.
People don't realize that two ideologically opposed presidents--Reagan and Clinton--contributed greatly to the current mess. Reagan for closing mental institutions and Clinton for welfare reform without any real plan for the blowback.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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