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Trump issues at least two pardons to service members
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The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostTo be fair, IIRC, the rules of engagement were getting pretty murky during the last few years of the Bush Administration as well.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
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OK, hold on a sec.... lemme find my Captain Obvious cover.....
[wearing cover]
All of this began to change in Vietnam where "the enemy" no longer wore identifiable uniforms, but often fought in "pajamas", and the rules of engagement became difficult to enforce. Advance through the Soviets fought the Afghans, and, again, "who is the enemy"?
Fast forward to Iraq/Iran, and when fighting the enemy, it was often clear who the enemy were by their uniforms and modes of transportation.
Now we're fighting "terrorists" with absolutely no limitations on how and when and where they fight, and even engaging children (as was happening in Vietnam) in the battle.
If I might be allowed a wee bit of comic relief - we've come a LONG way from the "good ol' days" of "European Warfare"... 50 seconds in.
[removing cover]The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostThey don't even have to "attack/retreat", Jim -- so much of this is urban warfare, and they simply melt back into the crowd. The weapons can get passed around, and since none of the enemy combatants are in uniform, it's virtually impossible to sort out the combatants from the "friendlies".My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostThat is true. They had similar problems in Vietnam with children being used sacrificially. It is not in our best interests in situations like these to adopt policies that give the enemy an advantage. And especially unfair to hold our men accountable for not splitting hairs precisely with difficult judgement calls and when our people's lives are on the line. It is, after all, war. This is why on this particular issue I may find myself agreeing with Trump once I know a little bit more about what actually happened and why they were convicted. As I said, Trump is not known for his own capacity to make informed decisions, so I have to rule out that he was shooting from the hip into a hornets nest.
And, are these same people of a similar mind on Trump's prison reform?
I think this is one of those rare moments when Trump is actually trying to right some wrongs, but because it's Trump, it MUST be bad.
HOWEVER --- I'm still digging into this, Jim.... if I find out that there was some political motive for Trump and that these guys needed to STAY in confinement, or reduced in rank, than I'll be happy to produce that, as well.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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FTR, I pretty much think "rules" of war are stupid. If something is important enough to go to war about, the main "rule" should be "win."Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.
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Originally posted by NorrinRadd View PostFTR, I pretty much think "rules" of war are stupid. If something is important enough to go to war about, the main "rule" should be "win."The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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These men were tried and were found guilty of desecration, of murder, and of ordering murder. Stop making excuses for them. Trump is pardoning them for one reason and one reason only, he thinks it will benefit himself politically.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostThese men were tried and were found guilty of desecration, of murder, and of ordering murder.
Stop making excuses for them.
Trump is pardoning them for one reason and one reason only, he thinks it will benefit himself politically.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostThat's what the liberaltalkingpointsfordummies says?
You seem absolutely obsessed with "excuses", Jim. I've actually been looking into the details, not just believing partisan talking points.
That would be would be the perspective of somebody suffering from advanced TDS, Jim. Let's deal with facts, not fantasy, OK?
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Originally posted by JimL View PostI am dealing with facts, CP, you are not. It's not what liberaltalkingpointsfordummies says, it's what a military court said.
You were not in that court. You don't know what was presented. You don't know any of the actual facts of the case, and it is not at all unusual for the results of military tribunals to be set aside. Subsequent appeals can lesson or negate the punishment, but can never increase the punishment.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostYou really do not know the facts, Jim.
You were not in that court. You don't know what was presented. You don't know any of the actual facts of the case, and it is not at all unusual for the results of military tribunals to be set aside. Subsequent appeals can lesson or negate the punishment, but can never increase the punishment.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostNo, I do not know the factsThe first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by NorrinRadd View PostFTR, I pretty much think "rules" of war are stupid. If something is important enough to go to war about, the main "rule" should be "win."
Clearly the military was being unreasonably hamstrung by rules of engagement under Obama, and Trump is doing what he can to reverse some of the damage.Remember that you are dust and to dust you shall return.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostYou really do not know the facts, Jim.
You were not in that court. You don't know what was presented. You don't know any of the actual facts of the case, and it is not at all unusual for the results of military tribunals to be set aside. Subsequent appeals can lesson or negate the punishment, but can never increase the punishment.
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