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Last edited by oxmixmudd; 12-16-2019, 05:11 AM.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostA) that's your interpretation
2) it's not "for eternity" - it's until the policy changes
Israel is a special case, surrounded on all sides by sworn enemies, and has been our only loyal ally in the region, with democratic / western values.
A common error.
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Originally posted by Ronson View PostTime to change the policy.
It is mostly a one-sided relationship. Israel tends to ignore US requests (like cutting back on settlements) because it knows its massive aid is not threatened.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostUntil then, it's the policy, so...
I think you may be really naive about how all this works. Publicly, for example, the US might chastise Israel for bombing Iran's nuke facility, but behind the scenes, the US is asking Israel, "need any more help? Weapons, aircraft, ordnance, logistics, Intelligence.....?" The US is taking advantage of Israel's position, alliance, military, intelligence, cooperation --- to help keep "the bad guys" in check.
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Originally posted by Ronson View PostWhat is gained for the US when Israel keeps building settlements?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Ronson View PostNope
Israel 'gained' Gaza when they were attacked from all sides by Egypt, Syria and Jordan in the Six Day War in 1967. During the brief but bloody conflict, Israel seized the Sinai Peninsula and the Gaza Strip from Egypt, the West Bank and East Jerusalem from Jordan, and the Golan Heights from Syria.
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Any other nation would have declared those conquests "fruits of war" and kept them. One of the most amazing experiences I've ever had was standing on the fortifications on the Golan Heights from which you can see Syria and Lebanon.
I'm quite serious when I say that, when visiting Israel, you can pretty much tell which of the three "control zones" you are in by just looking around - the areas that the Palestinians control are pretty much dumps - the areas that Israel controls are flourishing.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostAh, OK -- I think that would help.
Israel 'gained' Gaza when they were attacked from all sides by Egypt, Syria and Jordan in the Six Day War in 1967. During the brief but bloody conflict, Israel seized the Sinai Peninsula and the Gaza Strip from Egypt, the West Bank and East Jerusalem from Jordan, and the Golan Heights from Syria.
Any other nation would have declared those conquests "fruits of war" and kept them. One of the most amazing experiences I've ever had was standing on the fortifications on the Golan Heights from which you can see Syria and Lebanon.
I'm quite serious when I say that, when visiting Israel, you can pretty much tell which of the three "control zones" you are in by just looking around - the areas that the Palestinians control are pretty much dumps - the areas that Israel controls are flourishing.
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Originally posted by Ronson View PostYes, I am generally familiar with the war and the occupied/captured zones. I still don't understand how the US benefits from unabated Israeli settlements when that is a major sticking point for any permanent solution.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Ronson View PostYes, I am generally familiar with the war and the occupied/captured zones. I still don't understand how the US benefits from unabated Israeli settlements when that is a major sticking point for any permanent solution.Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist
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Originally posted by Ronson View PostYes, I am generally familiar with the war and the occupied/captured zones. I still don't understand how the US benefits from unabated Israeli settlements when that is a major sticking point for any permanent solution.
how about that?My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostA firm ally with very similar beliefs and culture in a region dominated by cultures and governments that would like nothing more than to see every building in every city in the US burn to the ground.
how about that?...>>> Witty remark or snarky quote of another poster goes here <<<...
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Originally posted by MaxVel View PostI think a fairly large part of the reason they hate the US so much is it's constant support of Israel. So there's that.Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist
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