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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostDo you really think a Russian Troll farm would be active on a relatively obscure theology debate forum since 2014? Doesn't seem likely.
Jim
Do you really think you're accomplishing anything at all by being here day in and day out, singularly laser focused on Trump, on a "relatively obscure theology debate forum"?
It's an obsession - and you have pretty much ZERO chance of changing anybody's minds --- the anti-Trump crowd is going to amen you and kiss your butt, and the pro-Trump crowed is gonna butt heads with you, their minds already made up.
What is it you think you're accomplishing?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostAl Capone was not the most evil person that ever lived. So me talking about the length of time it took to get Al Capone does not bolster you claim I think "Trump is the most evil person ever". I think he is dirty up one side and down the other. But that's not the same thing.And the facts we have so far observed make it quite clear Trump was trying to force Ukraine into investigating the Bidens. And that is illegal.So you'll have to do better than just another rant pix. You need some actual substance."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostWell then, what exactly is your point? What are you trying to say with this post:
in response to me telling MM his claim the whistleblower has been proven 'wrong' is nuts.
( It is nuts. Everthing the whistleblower was concerned about has been shown to have a solid basis in fact. )
ETA: Just saw his response. As usual - briefer than mine.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostIt's an ongoing joke with CP. He just jumps in when someone makes a jibe with, "this is about me, isn't it?" or some variation thereof. It's part of his sense of humor and somewhat (looking for an adjective and failing) charm. It's actually one of the reasons I kinda like him - even if his political views are seriously warped.
ETA: Just saw his response. As usual - briefer than mine.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by mikewhitney View PostIt is almost funny seeing how people are trusting different new sources in this thread.
Is there a common news source that would make everyone happy?
What can we do so we aren't so divided and that we aren't divided by different 'facts'?
Well, elephants in the sense of Republicans, but no donkeys.
OK, um...
no clowns.
Sheeeeesh - it IS a circus!!!The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by mikewhitney View PostIt is almost funny seeing how people are trusting different new sources in this thread.
Is there a common news source that would make everyone happy?
Originally posted by mikewhitney View PostWhat can we do so we aren't so divided and that we aren't divided by different 'facts'?
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostUnfortunately I cannot think of any particular source that everyone would likely agree are completely nonpartisan and aboveboard. Imagine, for instance, finding a news source that seer, MM and lilpix on the one hand, and tass, star and little jimmyL on the other, both agree was always fair and balanced.
Different sides bringing different evidence to the table should not be a problem as long as folks are still willing to look dispassionately at what the "other side" is presenting.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostUnfortunately I cannot think of any particular source that everyone would likely agree are completely nonpartisan and aboveboard. Imagine, for instance, finding a news source that seer, MM and lilpix on the one hand, and tass, star and little jimmyL on the other, both agree was always fair and balanced.
Different sides bringing different evidence to the table should not be a problem as long as folks are still willing to look dispassionately at what the "other side" is presenting.
The example that stands out is that the Mueller report didn't result in impeachment -- but the argument was that "the people wouldn't understand the intricacies of the law so as to accept the impeachment." This was a narrative that can lead people to view the Mueller investigation as if legal actions were warranted ... but these were disregarded by the Dems. This narrative lets people assume that they can still assume a crime existed.Last edited by mikewhitney; 10-31-2019, 01:58 PM.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostHence, my criticism of "journalism" over which some people seem to absolutely freak out. It's a circus without a tent and no elephants.
Well, elephants in the sense of Republicans, but no donkeys.
OK, um...
no clowns.
Sheeeeesh - it IS a circus!!!
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostThink about that really hard for a minute, Jim...
Do you really think you're accomplishing anything at all by being here day in and day out, singularly laser focused on Trump, on a "relatively obscure theology debate forum"?
It's an obsession - and you have pretty much ZERO chance of changing anybody's minds --- the anti-Trump crowd is going to amen you and kiss your butt, and the pro-Trump crowed is gonna butt heads with you, their minds already made up.
What is it you think you're accomplishing?My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostIt's an ongoing joke with CP. He just jumps in when someone makes a jibe with, "this is about me, isn't it?" or some variation thereof. It's part of his sense of humor and somewhat (looking for an adjective and failing) charm. It's actually one of the reasons I kinda like him - even if his political views are seriously warped.
ETA: Just saw his response. As usual - briefer than mine.
It was the that threw me off, otherwise I would have know immediately it was just the joke you refer to. But with it I thought there might be some other inference he was trying to get at.
JimMy brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostWhat do you think you are accomplishing here?
I'm multi-tasking. I'm responding to you and others, but I'm also praising God in the things He has done in and around me, in my daughter who was living in rebellion, but was gloriously brought back to the Lord and is serving Him...
So, your turn.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by mikewhitney View PostIt would be sort of nice to get a 'debate' on the specific 'facts' to see which facts are better. But the effort to do this just results in people defending their view based on metanarratives rather than discussing the facts themselves.
The example that stands out is that the Mueller report didn't result in impeachment -- but the argument was that "the people wouldn't understand the intricacies of the law so as to accept the impeachment." This was a narrative that can lead people to view the Mueller investigation as if legal actions were warranted ... but these were disregarded by the Dems. This narrative lets people assume that they can still assume a crime existed.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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