Trump-Russia Probe: Criminal Investigation...

[Cow Poke]

Reporters want every source to speak for attribution, especially if they think the source is lying. ....

To be clear, I have no reason to believe this would not be absolutely true of you even today.

[firstfloor]

I think you were the first one I saw post the admission that the liberal media is not even trying to maintain the appearance of objectivity (or something like that).

[rogue06]

That's because, in spite of the body count, communists are saints and angels


Dang ff your obvious trolling is just getting too obvious.

[Cow Poke]

Thank you... ever so much... for.. um... whatever that was.

I hope you get to feeling better soon.

[oxmixmudd]

I believe that was true once upon a time.

I think you have to be careful to understand the difference between print media, TV/cable news, and 24/7 cable opinion shows. Shows like Rachael Maddow or Hannity to name 2 on opposite ends of the spectrum are OPINION shows that may or may not be objective in their evaluation and/or presentation of the evidence supporting their opinions.

The OPINION sides of many of these networks have abandoned any attempt to remain 'objective'. But that is very different from what is reported as news and how the news itself is handled. Sources that hold to the standards Juvenal describes still exist, perhaps even are the majority still of the serious news outlets (e.g. AP) or major newspapers (e.g WP or NYT) and the primary reason they are viewed as being so biased, especially from the conservative side (more on this in a minute), has more to do with the mindset of the observers than the actual bias or lack standards related to their reporting.

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Remember the charts I put up a week or so ago? At how difference audiences perceived the bias in the news. Republican observers (reposted above) were much more likely to see bias from ALL sources - including their own. Only fox and Wall Street Journal showed up on the blue (more unbiassed) side of the chart.

Another key take-away here is that ALL sources recognize the bias in the conservative rags (e.g. breitbart) so often quote here in support of Trump et al.


Jim

[oxmixmudd]

Far too general FF. There is good and bad on both sides.

Jim

[Cow Poke]

I think you have to be careful to understand the difference between print media, TV/cable news, and 24/7 cable opinion shows. Shows like Rachael Maddow or Hannity to name 2 on opposite ends of the spectrum are OPINION shows that may or may not be objective in their evaluation and/or presentation of the evidence supporting their opinions.

The OPINION sides of many of these networks have abandoned any attempt to remain 'objective'. But that is very different from what is reported as news and how the news itself is handled. Sources that hold to the standards Juvenal describes still exist, perhaps even are the majority still of the serious news outlets (e.g. AP) or major newspapers (e.g WP or NYT) and the primary reason they are viewed as being so biased, especially from the conservative side (more on this in a minute), has more to do with the mindset of the observers than the actual bias or lack standards related to their reporting.

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Remember the charts I put up a week or so ago? At how difference audiences perceived the bias in the news. Republican observers (reposted above) were much more likely to see bias from ALL sources - including their own. Only fox and Wall Street Journal showed up on the blue (more unbiassed) side of the chart.

Another key take-away here is that ALL sources recognize the bias in the conservative rags (e.g. breitbart) so often quote here in support of Trump et al.


Jim

Jim, it's the loudest frog in the pond that gets the attention. "Journalism" has become a joke.

[oxmixmudd]

Jim, it's the loudest frog in the pond that gets the attention. "Journalism" has become a joke.

You are entitled to your opinion. The problem with your position CP is that it doesn't square with reality, which means that unless you just happen to like the news the legit sources produce, your view of what is going on in the world is very likely to be far more skewed than necessary, and your ability to make meaningful, informed decisions about some very important matters is reduced or even compromised

[Mountain Man]

You are entitled to your opinion. The problem with your position CP is that it doesn't square with reality, which means that unless you just happen to like the news the legit sources produce, your view of what is going on in the world is very likely to be far more skewed than necessary, and your ability to make meaningful, informed decisions about some very important matters is reduced or even compromised

Says the guy who claims that Barr is chasing conspiracy theories.

[Juvenal]

You can defend the practice of anonymous sources all you want, but that doesn't change the fact that for the last several years, they have increasingly been used by the mainstream media as a vehicle for spreading unverified rumors and outright lies.

I'd be happy to look at any example of this you can find.

[Cow Poke]

You are entitled to your opinion.

How very generous of you.

The problem with your position CP

First of all, what, exactly, is my position?

[JimL]

Jim, it's the loudest frog in the pond that gets the attention. "Journalism" has become a joke.

Yes, we musn't believe the news we hear and see, we must only believe our dear leader.

[Cow Poke]

Yes, we musn't believe the news we hear and see, we must only believe our dear leader.

If you have something you'd like to discuss, Jim, I'm good with that, but I don't have time for this insincere talkingpointsmemo nonsense.

[oxmixmudd]

How very generous of you.



First of all, what, exactly, is my position?

Oh good grief.

"Journalism" has become a joke.

[Cow Poke]

Oh good grief.

Anybody can be a "journalist" these days, Jim, and anybody can claim their news sources are not biased. Most people can't tell the difference between real journalism, editorial content, and commentary.

I say again, "Journalism" (and I specifically put it in quotes) has become a joke.