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[JimL]

I'm not playing your games, Jim.

I understand.

[rogue06]

With 6 murdered, the U.S was among the top 5 deadliest countries for journalists last year, CP.

Last year there was a uncharacteristic spike in the number killed in the U.S. because some guy was pissed off at the coverage of his being put on probation for harassing an acquaintance through social media and email and went to the newspaper's offices and murdered five people with a shotgun. Normally the number of journalists killed in the U.S. in any given year is around zero.

And even in this unique instance I couldn't help but notice that the various lists of most dangerous jobs in America that journalists are never included. Even a groundskeeper is nearly thirty two times more likely to get killed on the job as a journalist (191 deaths to 6). Even the guys not working the equipment, the folks who supervise the guys doing landscaping, lawn service and groundskeeping workers are nearly six times more likely to die on the job (53 to 6). The point being that we are not exactly looking at some sort of crisis with reporters being at risk.

Anywho... I wonder how that stacks up compared to the number of, say, law enforcement agents killed. You know, the folks that some on the left have been advocating violence toward for awhile now (whether Al Sharpton declaring that "I believe in offing the pigs"^[1] to BLM chanting "Pigs in a blanket, fry 'em like bacon" and "What do we want? Dead cops. When do we want it? Now." (the latter was being chanted just before two cops were ambushed sitting in their car and murdered).









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[lilpixieofterror]

With 6 murdered, the U.S was among the top 5 deadliest countries for journalists last year, CP.

[Juvenal]

Tragic as that is, it's simply not "all the time", teacher. And these are hard journalists who were going up against oppressive regimes, none of which was in the US.

A whopping 31 this year, worldwide?

While 1 is too many, that hardly qualifies as "all the time" - but you knew that, Jerk.

Did you see Russia on that list, or China? Those are just the deaths RSF could verify as definitively linked to their journalism, in places where you can still get in and out quietly to check. Translators and drivers killed to emphasize the warnings are counted separately, but you knew that, too, piglet.

Just stop minimizing this. Just stop missing the point. Just stop.

There are journalists risking their lives every day reporting on those oppressive regimes. And those regimes are paying attention to President Trump when he labels journalists enemies of the state, when he instigates his crowds to turn on the reporters covering his rallies, when he refuses to hold Khashoggi's killers accountable, justifying the lapse with potential weapons sales.

Journalism is not a joke.

And it's not a job any of y'all calling it out have ever tried to do. It's a tough job, even when you're not under threat from an MBS. Even if you're not the Gray Lady. Even when it's just misbehavior by the local dog catcher you're exposing, these folks push back as hard as they can.

The college I was reporting on put a mole into our office who went through our files looking for dirt on our publisher. Using what they found, they tried to expel her. And then they thanked the mole with a $10,000 check to add start-up money for his rival paper, out of student funds, no less. We knew it was true from the get go, because people talk, but we didn't publish it until a reporter in our office got a copy of that check.

There's always a scad of stories like that, waiting for enough corroboration to appease the editors, unless you've got a job on Fox and Friends as the president's daily briefer, and your name is Doocy.

There are always bad cops out there if you're looking to find them, and there are always heros, but mostly it's just folks doing their jobs. Sometimes they do those jobs in the face of public propaganda campaigns stirring other folks up to attack them, all too often from campaigners pursuing their own financial motives.

And that should stop, too.

[Roy]

With 6 murdered, the U.S was among the top 5 deadliest countries for journalists last year, CP.

I'm with CP on this one - that was because some nutter with a gun shot up a newspaper office. It's not indicative of journalism in the US being dangerous, any more than the Charlie Hebdo attack was for France.

[Roy]

More Taxi drivers died last year than journalist.

Maths time.

6 journalists out of about 35k. 0.171 per thousand.
But only 0.147 per thousand for taxi drivers.

So if those stats aren't too far out due to annual changes - and I've overcompensated anyway - while more taxi drivers were killed, their greater numbers means that taxi-drivers still suffered less than journalists last year.

Though, as already noted, last year was exceptional for journalists.

Wow, taxi drivers in America have a high entry bar

P.S. Need to update Monty Python. Lumberjacks are definitely not ok.

[Cow Poke]

Did you see Russia on that list, or China? Those are just the deaths RSF could verify as definitively linked to their journalism, in places where you can still get in and out quietly to check. Translators and drivers killed to emphasize the warnings are counted separately, but you knew that, too, piglet.

Just stop minimizing this. Just stop missing the point. Just stop.

Just stop getting your panties in a bunch over a false narrative. Just stop misrepresenting the point. Just stop.

The narrative was about the "journalism" having to do with the US POLITICAL crap, and there were ZERO foreign nations listed in the post to which I was responding.

Stop being a jackass. Stop being an arrogant ass. Just stop.

[Cow Poke]

What's amazing to me is that somebody would go on little tirades supposedly defending free speech while telling others to shut up.

[lilpixieofterror]

Maths time.

6 journalists out of about 35k. 0.171 per thousand.
But only 0.147 per thousand for taxi drivers.

So if those stats aren't too far out due to annual changes - and I've overcompensated anyway - while more taxi drivers were killed, their greater numbers means that taxi-drivers still suffered less than journalists last year.

Another Roy sad attempt to try to catch me in an error. First, the death rates are per 100,000 workers, not the metric you used. Second, I used this metric:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money...ften/38832907/

So year by year, Taxi drivers are more likely to be killed or injured, doing their job. Tell me if that list includes Journalist anywhere.

Though, as already noted, last year was exceptional for journalists.

Wow, taxi drivers in America have a high entry bar

P.S. Need to update Monty Python. Lumberjacks are definitely not ok.

[oxmixmudd]

What's amazing to me is that somebody would go on little tirades supposedly defending free speech while telling others to shut up.

That would be a significant distortion of what is happening here. You are pretending there is nothing of substance to his point, and he has a reasonable expectation that a preacher, a minister of the Gospel would be sufficiently committed to the truth and intelligent enough to understand there is substance to his point.

[Cow Poke]

I'm with CP on this one - that was because some nutter with a gun shot up a newspaper office. It's not indicative of journalism in the US being dangerous, any more than the Charlie Hebdo attack was for France.

Thanks, Roy.

My point all along ("journalism" is a joke) was specific (in response to) the fact that the political coverage from the various outlets in the US (what was discussed in the post to which I responded) has become a joke, with right wing and left wing outlets covering stories to the advantage of their own chose party, a bunch of nutter sites that pop up but can look quite official (anybody can have a website or blog) and even what used to be mainline news sources giving up any pretense of objectivity.

Clearly, there are still some real journalists around, but they get outshouted by all the political posturing.

Somehow, this got perverted into some kind of idiotic "CP is criticizing journalists who are getting killed all the time", which was a crock of snake poop.

And when I refer to "hard journalism" - I mean what USED to be taught (maybe it still is) in journalism classes where you go after the truth, and lay aside your personal opinions and prejudices. I'm just not seeing much of that anymore.

[Cow Poke]

That would be a significant distortion of what is happening here.

I disagree.

You are pretending there is nothing of substance to his point,

Perhaps you can elaborate his point - because, as I explained in my previous post - my criticism of "journalism" is the kind of "journalism" that has a specific political goal.

and he has a reasonable expectation that a preacher, a minister of the Gospel would be sufficiently committed to the truth and intelligent enough to understand there is substance to his point.

wow

[Mountain Man]

That would be a significant distortion of what is happening here. You are pretending there is nothing of substance to his point, and he has a reasonable expectation that a preacher, a minister of the Gospel would be sufficiently committed to the truth and intelligent enough to understand there is substance to his point.

Could be any more hypocritical and full of yourself? I'm not asking rhetorically, I'm genuinely curious.

[Juvenal]

Just stop getting your panties in a bunch over a false narrative. Just stop misrepresenting the point. Just stop.

The narrative was about the "journalism" having to do with the US POLITICAL crap, and there were ZERO foreign nations listed in the post to which I was responding.

Stop being a jackass. Stop being an arrogant ass. Just stop.

Doubling down attacking the messenger makes the behavior twice as wrong, and no more effective than chopping a quote down to the two paragraphs you can get off your lazy • Edited by a Moderator • to actually read, ya dimwitted, slack-jawed, poor excuse for a preacher pushing "the way, the truth, and the light" with your two-out-of-three ain't bad apologetics for political malfeasance that's endangering journalists around the world.

Just stop.

Your "narrative" not only doesn't check out, but is being promoted by propagandists you've shown no more talent for checking yourself than you've shown ability to come up with a creative insult or to figure out when a less than creative insult is ripe for plucking.


Your mother wears army boots.

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[Cow Poke]

Doubling down attacking the messenger

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