Originally posted by Sam
View Post
Announcement
Collapse
Civics 101 Guidelines
Want to argue about politics? Healthcare reform? Taxes? Governments? You've come to the right place!
Try to keep it civil though. The rules still apply here.
Try to keep it civil though. The rules still apply here.
See more
See less
Take This Impeachment And Shove It...
Collapse
X
-
Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
-
Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostImpeachment is a political process, not a criminal one - and both sides are playing politics.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
Comment
-
Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostIt's a political process predicated on an actual crime being committed.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
Comment
-
Originally posted by Sam View PostSchiff has been one of the Democratic leaders wary of impeachment.
How do you come up with this stuff? The dude has been beating the impeachment drum for months. He's not wary of it, he's leading the charge! Even worse, he and his office coordinated with this "whistleblower" in order to manufacture another excuse to "git" Trump.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
Comment
-
Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostActually, they can tell them how to run their hearings if they're defying legal precedent and trying to issue subpoenas without the approval of the relevant chamber, which in this case means a House vote.
"I wonder about the trees. / Why do we wish to bear / Forever the noise of these / More than another noise / Robert Frost, "The Sound of Trees"
Comment
-
Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostAnd my pain meds are kicking in, so maybe it wasn't just my keyboard -- I shall now try to revert to less intense discussions.
And I just noticed you deleted your response - thanks for that, Sam -- I'll try again when I'm.....
Thanks
--Sam"I wonder about the trees. / Why do we wish to bear / Forever the noise of these / More than another noise / Robert Frost, "The Sound of Trees"
Comment
-
Originally posted by Sam View Post
The President, claiming executive privilege, filed a motion to quash the subpoena. The District Court, after treating the subpoenaed material as presumptively privileged, concluded that the Special Prosecutor had made a sufficient showing to rebut the presumption and that the requirements of Rule 17(c) had been satisfied.
They have to meet certain conditions.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
Comment
-
Originally posted by seer View PostNope that is not a given, from your link:
The President, claiming executive privilege, filed a motion to quash the subpoena. The District Court, after treating the subpoenaed material as presumptively privileged, concluded that the Special Prosecutor had made a sufficient showing to rebut the presumption and that the requirements of Rule 17(c) had been satisfied.
They have to meet certain conditions.
Which will be done, rather easily. Material being pursuant to an impeachment proceeding, like material pursuant to a criminal trial, rebuts the presumption of privilege and Rule 17(c) ain't gonna help you.
--Sam"I wonder about the trees. / Why do we wish to bear / Forever the noise of these / More than another noise / Robert Frost, "The Sound of Trees"
Comment
-
Originally posted by Sam View PostSome may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
Comment
-
Originally posted by Sam View Post
Judicial review ISN'T IN the Constitution!!!!
Nor does it read like it was creating a loophole for unjust trials to allow political coups.
Truth is, it's uncharted territory - but I wouldn't count on a hyper-literalist reading by any member or the Court."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
"Forgiveness is the way of love." Gary Chapman
My Personal Blog
My Novella blog (Current Novella Begins on 7/25/14)
Quill Sword
Comment
-
Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostIt would be absurd to interpret that ruling as saying that the Legislature can flout the law without the fear of judicial intervention just because it's running an impeachment inquiry; and by law, the power of subpoena requires the authorization of the relevant chamber, in this case the House which typically makes these decisions by vote, so the White House is well within its right to take the matter to the court regarding these phony "subpoenas" the House keeps sending out."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
"Forgiveness is the way of love." Gary Chapman
My Personal Blog
My Novella blog (Current Novella Begins on 7/25/14)
Quill Sword
Comment
-
For reference:
Last edited by Teallaura; 10-08-2019, 09:22 PM."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
"Forgiveness is the way of love." Gary Chapman
My Personal Blog
My Novella blog (Current Novella Begins on 7/25/14)
Quill Sword
Comment
-
Originally posted by Teallaura View PostWorse than that, White's concurrence left the door open.
So the questions that are on the table here, primarily dealing in Trump's "constitutional 6A rights" would not, under White's reasoning, tilt toward Trump.
--Sam"I wonder about the trees. / Why do we wish to bear / Forever the noise of these / More than another noise / Robert Frost, "The Sound of Trees"
Comment
-
Souter's hypothetical was if the House impeaches and the Senate, without trial, voted to convict on the basis of the President "being a bad guy".
Humorously, that finds its closest parallel to conservative pundits today urging McConnell to forgo a trial in case of impeachment and immediately vote to acquit Trump.
--Sam
Originally posted by Teallaura View PostFor reference:
"I wonder about the trees. / Why do we wish to bear / Forever the noise of these / More than another noise / Robert Frost, "The Sound of Trees"
Comment
-
Originally posted by Sam View PostNot very wide, since White differentiates in his concurrence between impeachment trials and criminal trials, noting that the framers did not want the judiciary to be involved in both.
So the questions that are on the table here, primarily dealing in Trump's "constitutional 6A rights" would not, under White's reasoning, tilt toward Trump.
--Sam
It's uncharted territory - and we have no idea what the Court will consider re: House precedings.
And being President doesn't strip you of your Constitutional rights.
You do realize both White and Souter addressed the Senate, right? You're arguing the Dems have no recourse if they believe the Senate has acquitted unjustly. The Senate is unlikely to convict - might test the 'we don't have to if we don't wanna' theory, but I doubt it."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
"Forgiveness is the way of love." Gary Chapman
My Personal Blog
My Novella blog (Current Novella Begins on 7/25/14)
Quill Sword
Comment
Related Threads
Collapse
Topics | Statistics | Last Post | ||
---|---|---|---|---|
Started by seer, Yesterday, 11:40 AM
|
2 responses
33 views
0 likes
|
Last Post
by Diogenes
Yesterday, 03:28 PM
|
||
Started by CivilDiscourse, Yesterday, 06:30 AM
|
15 responses
81 views
0 likes
|
Last Post
by seanD
Yesterday, 04:20 PM
|
||
Started by Cow Poke, 06-03-2024, 11:24 AM
|
25 responses
146 views
0 likes
|
Last Post
by Cow Poke
Yesterday, 04:13 PM
|
||
Started by carpedm9587, 06-03-2024, 09:13 AM
|
51 responses
275 views
0 likes
|
Last Post
by Diogenes
Today, 02:36 AM
|
||
Started by Cow Poke, 06-02-2024, 09:15 AM
|
31 responses
151 views
0 likes
|
Last Post
by rogue06
Yesterday, 08:12 PM
|
Comment