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Originally posted by seanD View PostJim, your own article says it was dismissed last month, not yesterday.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostAnd also, it was dismissed because Democrats withdrew the subpoena and not because Kupperman didn't have a case, which is what Jimmy is implying.
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I'm not sure what there is for Democrats to complain about: let both sides present their best opening argument with the option of hearing additional witnesses and evidence if enough people are on the fence. That all sounds perfectly fair to me.
Of course Democrats know their opening argument is going to be a dud, but that's their problem.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostAnd also, it was dismissed because Democrats withdrew the subpoena and not because Kupperman didn't have a case, which is what Jimmy is implying.
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Originally posted by seanD View PostDo you think they will subpoena Bolton, and if not why?
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Originally posted by JimL View PostWell, the complicit with the cover-up Republican Senate won't supoena him to testify at trial unless they are forced to by public sentiment which is why Lindsey Graham is advocating to begin the trial now regardless of the House not delivering the Articles. But if they don't, I think that the House probably will. If for some reason he is not supoenaed at all, his perspective will come out in his up-coming book. The more evidence that comes out, if it is inculpatory, the House just might impeach again due to the obstruction.
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Originally posted by seanD View PostI don't understand why the House wouldn't make the attempt since Bolton has now publicly stated he'd testify and since that's what Pelosi apparently held up the process for. IOW, if they didn't subpoena him as a witness that would be very weird and make no sense to me, and would indicate Pelosi was holding up the process for some other reason.
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Originally posted by JimLamebrain View PostWell if the Senate is pressured into allowing witness testimony...
Note that these are the exact same rules that were used for Clinton's impeachment trial.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostThey won't be. The rules are in place, and McConnell has the votes: opening arguments from the prosecution and defense; if enough Senators are on the fence then a vote will be called to allow the presentation of new witnesses and evidence; otherwise, it's game over for the Democrats.
Note that these are the exact same rules that were used for Clinton's impeachment trial.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostWell if the Senate is pressured into allowing witness testimony then there would be no need of the House to subpoena since Bolton said that he would be willing to comply with a Senate subpoena. Who knows, perhaps she's giving the Senate time to define the trial format. Believe me though, Pelosi knows what she's doing so I certainly would not second guess her. Like you, I simply don't know.
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Originally posted by JimLamebrain View PostLindsey Graham et al argued vehemently in the Clinton trial that witnesses must testify otherwise it would be a sham trial. Not only were they obviously correct, but they are pathetic hypocrites. The question remains, what are they and you afraid of? I think we all, including you, know the answer to that.
So now it's on the Democrats to present a compelling enough opening argument to convince a majority of Senators that new witnesses and testimony should be presented. Do you think they're up to it?Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostAnd Democrats like Chucky Schumer argued vehemently in the Clinton trial against introducing new witnesses, so both sides have flip-flopped. That's politics for you.
So now it's on the Democrats to present a compelling enough opening argument to convince a majority of Senators that new witnesses and testimony should be presented. Do you think they're up to it?
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostAnd Democrats like Chucky Schumer argued vehemently in the Clinton trial against introducing new witnesses, so both sides have flip-flopped. That's politics for you.
So now it's on the Democrats to present a compelling enough opening argument to convince a majority of Senators that new witnesses and testimony should be presented. Do you think they're up to it?
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