Take This Impeachment And Shove It...

[firstfloor]

She is serving Trump much better as an adversary. Hail Queen Nancy, may she reign forever (though, hopefully, as minority leader)!

Trump has no limits to his bad behaviour, and his base enjoy his combativeness, and they root for him no matter who he attacks; but this is very far removed from what we ought to expect from someone holding this great office. The USA is in a deep hole and it is still digging. The solution is not in the direction of more Trump.

[Mountain Man]

Trump has no limits to his bad behaviour, and his base enjoy his combativeness, and they root for him no matter who he attacks; but this is very far removed from what we ought to expect from someone holding this great office. The USA is in a deep hole and it is still digging. The solution is not in the direction of more Trump.

Trump has been very good for the United States. More Trump is even better.

[Watermelon]

No, it's actually not - it actually has a legal definition that involves lying under oath.



Trump was not charged with "OOJ".



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How does having a legal definition invalidate their relationship?

Obstruction of congress!

Are high crimes actual crimes?

[Mountain Man]

How does having a legal definition invalidate their relationship?

Obstruction of congress!

Are high crimes actual crimes?

There's no such thing as "obstruction of Congress". It's a charge the Democrats pulled out of the nearest bodily orifice.

And, yes, per the Constitution, high crimes refers to actual crimes. The two examples given are treason and bribery.

[Cow Poke]

Trump has no limits to his bad behaviour,

So far, he hasn't killed anybody on 5th avenue in broad daylight.

and his base enjoy his combativeness,

It's about time somebody stood up to the MSM and their chosen party!

and they root for him no matter who he attacks;

I don't.

but this is very far removed from what we ought to expect from someone holding this great office.

It may well be what we need, though, for such a time as this.

The USA is in a deep hole and it is still digging.

The USA is doing just fine.

The solution is not in the direction of more Trump.

I'm afraid Pelosi has made that a problem - she is a Russian agent working for the reelection of Trump.

[Cow Poke]

How does having a legal definition invalidate their relationship?

Trump has not committed, nor been charged with, perjury. Not sure where you're going with this.

Obstruction of congress!

A - thats a FAR different animal than obstruction of justice
2 - it wasn't obstruction of congress - it was obstruction of one very partisan faction of One committee of ONE half of Congress, which is ONE THIRD of the branches of government.

Are high crimes actual crimes?

The constitution leaves that fairly open, but you'd know it was a "high crime" if it was universally accepted as a crime - like burglary or perjury. Not just something a focus group makes up.

[Cow Poke]

There's no such thing as "obstruction of Congress". It's a charge the Democrats pulled out of the nearest bodily orifice.

And, yes, per the Constitution, high crimes refers to actual crimes. The two examples given are treason and bribery.

Yes, the actual wording is...

"The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors."

...the phrase "or other" would indicate SIMILAR offenses, not just anything a focus group invents.

[Cow Poke]

And, remember --- this was not the FIRST impeachment sham aimed at Trump.

Formal efforts were initiated by representatives Al Green and Brad Sherman, both Democrats, in 2017, the first year of his presidency!

[Cow Poke]

Here's a shot of Nancy giving that "Don't you DARE cheer" glance to her subjects when she announced the passing of Article I...

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She reminds me a lot of Judge Judy scolding a disorderly plaintiff/defendant.

[firstfloor]

Yes, the actual wording is...

"The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors."

...the phrase "or other" would indicate SIMILAR offenses, not just anything a focus group invents.

..... and the last word means what?

[JimL]

It may not matter...

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...-constitution/

In a fair trial the accussed doesn't get to block the testimony of witnesses and other evidence against them.

[Cow Poke]

In a fair trial the accussed doesn't get to block the testimony of witnesses and other evidence against them.

The remedy for that is SCOTUS, but the partisan hacks running the impeachment sham couldn't wait for that -- they had to rush headlong off the cliff into disaster.

[Sparko]

Hmmm... it looks like the Democrats have more dirty tricks up their sleeves...

https://theconservativetreehouse.com...s-from-senate/

The problem I see, is that they are arguing that the missing "evidence" is crucial to their case, yet they voted to impeach without this evidence. They are admitting that they didn't have enough evidence to impeach. You can't convict someone on missing evidence or wishful thinking. I think the Senate or SCOTUS can just invalidate the articles of impeachment if that is the case.

[Cow Poke]

..... and the last word means what?

Which last word? Misdemeanors?

In lower courts, they are crimes less serious than felonies, punishable by local courts, but crimes nonetheless. In government, they are considered more serious with regards to POTUS, because they would have been committed at a federal level by a federal employee.

n. a lesser crime punishable by a fine and/or county jail time for up to one year. Misdemeanors are distinguished from felonies which can be punished by a state prison term. They are tried in the lowest local court such as municipal, police or justice courts. Typical misdemeanors include: petty theft, disturbing the peace, simple assault and battery, drunk driving without injury to others, drunkenness in public, various traffic violations, public nuisances, and some crimes which can be charged either as a felony or misdemeanor depending on the circumstances and the discretion of the District Attorney. "High crimes and misdemeanors" referred to in the U. S. Constitution are felonies."

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[Sparko]

Is it OOJ when the investigation itself is rigged? How is fighting against an injust investigation an obstruction of justice. It would be more of an obstruction of injustice.

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Also, can you please cite the law it says that the President is not allowed to seek a ruling by the Supreme Court, you know the actual JUSTICE branch of the US Government?