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Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by seer View PostIn my schools growing up prayer was voluntary and teacher led. Some teachers would and others wouldn't. And you did NOT have to join in (mostly said the our Father). I had one teacher who read a Psalm every morning. I don't see how this violates the above standard.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by JimL View PostWould you say the same if it were a Muslim teacher choosing to begin class with muslim prayers?Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by JimL View PostWould you say the same if it were a Muslim teacher choosing to begin class with muslim prayers?
The clubs are another matter. Student clubs should be able to cover a range of interests, including religious ones.
JimMy brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by seer View PostNope, Muslims have no historical connection with our founding. Or human rights as sourced in the Declaration.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostThat has nothing to do with it. These are public schools attended by children of every faith as well as atheists and it is not the governments job to indoctrinate/teach religion to children, it's the parents job. That is the intent of the Establishment Clause, the wall of separation between church/religion and state.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by JimL View PostIt isn't about the kids.
Christian kids, I'm sure, participate in the science, math, and chess clubs as well. It's about government sponsership of a religion.
That sounds fair, I think, just so long as it is student run and has nothing to do with the school, (other than a space,) the staff or the curriculum. But I see problems down the road should the school get involved in any way.
Hope you don't complain when the student clubs demanding school space are muslim or atheist.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostThe SCOTUS disagrees with you concerning the intent of the law, and so do I.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by seer View PostI really don't care. Saying a little prayer or having the Ten Commandments posted never hurt anyone, and may help...And again the Constitution says nothing about a wall of separation. And again a teacher led prayer is NOT congress making a LAW.
JimMy brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by JimLamebrain View PostThe SCOTUS disagrees with you concerning the intent of the law, and so do I.
It is extremely unlikely that he misunderstood the intent of the First Amendment considering he was one of the key figures responsible for drafting the US Constitution. It is plainly obvious to any intellectually honest person that our Founding Fathers did not believe in or enforce any modern notion of "separation of church and state".Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by JimLamebrain View PostWould you say the same if it were a Muslim teacher choosing to begin class with muslim prayers?
http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/sh...l=1#post669948Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by seer View Post...having the Ten Commandments posted never hurt anyone...Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostThe Supreme Court was wrong. Notice their decision was not based on the Constitution itself or any other legal writing or precedent but on a phrase plucked out of context from a private correspondence. Here's what George Washington had to say to the Delaware Indian chiefs:
You do well to wish to learn our arts and ways of life and above allthe religion of Jesus Christ. These will make you a greater and happier people than you are. Congress will do every thing they can to assist you in this wise intention; and to tie the knot of friendship and union so fastthat nothing shall ever be able to loose it.
https://founders.archives.gov/docume.../03-20-02-0388
It is extremely unlikely that he misunderstood the intent of the First Amendment considering he was one of the key figures responsible for drafting the US Constitution. It is plainly obvious to any intellectually honest person that our Founding Fathers did not believe in or enforce any modern notion of "separation of church and state".
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