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I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostOnly the most morally bankrupt among us would seek to equate deporting someone who illegally (criminally) enters the country to murdering the most innocent of all human life
Abortion has as its primary goal the death of a human being. The abortion is not successful unless somebody ends up dead.
Trump's policies, though they may tragically result in death, are not crafted for that purpose.
No comparison whatsoever.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostOnly the most morally bankrupt among us would seek to equate deporting someone who illegally (criminally) enters the country to murdering the most innocent of all human life
Carring about those who are born and the innocent children, amonst others, who have to live, or die, because of the cruel policies is in no way being morally bankrupt. It is actually the opposite. It seems you are working in extremes in which abortion is the ultimate evil while you pay almost no attention to all the evil consequences caused in other context to the human life. At least you ignored some parts of the text like Cow Poke has also consistently done and continues to do because you simply have no valid answer.
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Originally posted by Charles View PostAt least you ignored some parts of the text like Cow Poke has also consistently done and continues to do because you simply have no valid answer.
2) The second part of your statement is just flat out wrong.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostEGGzackly.
Abortion has as its primary goal the death of a human being. The abortion is not successful unless somebody ends up dead.
Trump's policies, though they may tragically result in death, are not crafted for that purpose.
No comparison whatsoever.
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Originally posted by Charles View PostWell, if you care for all human life
and if it is predictable that the policies will result in death and suffering for the lives you claim to hold of infinite value
it would make quite a lot of sense to oppose those policies even if the "primary goal" is not as obviously evil. There is no reason at all to ignore it, especially if you are pro life.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostBecause I have not endlessly ranted like a crazy person filled with hatred for Trump does not in any mean that I endorse Trump's policies.
We are now finding ourselves in a situation in which we are discussing very serious consequences that other people will have to live with or die as a consequence of. In this discussion you have continued to ignore certain consequences caused to other human beings and you have tried to take focus away. You got quite near to answering a few posts ago though.
In this discussion, where we are ultimately talking the death of other people in the context of being "pro life", you are going to such extremes as calling those who continue to point to the severe human consequences "a crazy person filled with hatred for Trump". Thus you are making the point that the criticism is not valid. Once again turning a blind eye to consequnces prefering to attack the messenger. This description of the messenger as being a hateful person and crazy will, if it works, take focus away from the message thus making it harder to put focus on the tragic human consequences.
Having come this far it is quite obvious that the last part of your statement: "does not in any mean that I endorse Trump's policies" can hardly be the whole truth. You endorse it to the degree that you work to silence the criticism. You endorse it to the degree that you call the critics of it hateful and crazy. That does not mean you completely agree with it but it is quite obvious that you are not so concerned about the consequences that you are able to see the criticism as valid enough to be dealt with. Calling for Trump to close his twitter account while remaning silent or taking focus away when we talk about life or death for those who have to live or die as a result of his policies is not much of a criticism and may actually work to take focus away from the real consequences.
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Originally posted by Charles View PostWhere is that equation made?
Trump's "every life is sacred" remark was made at the annual National Prayer Breakfast and was a strong pro-life stance -- which your source immediately compares to deporting illegals.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostDid you actually bother to read what you posted?
Trump's "every life is sacred" remark was made at the annual National Prayer Breakfast and was a strong pro-life stance -- which your source immediately compares to deporting illegals.
And note your own language in which you prefer to talk about "illegals" instead of human beings. We had this discussion with regard to family separations in which some prefered to focus on "illegals" turning the blind eye to the innocent children. And, if you need it explained in detail, I do not equate killing a child with taking a child from its' mother with no plans for reunification. But I certainly do think the latter should be condemned and I continue to be surprised by all those who try to cover it up talking about "illegals" while claiming to care about the well being of other human beings.
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Originally posted by Charles View PostThank you for providing such a good example showing exactly what I have pointed out before.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Charles View PostWe are now finding ourselves in a situation in which we are discussing very serious consequences that other people will have to live with or die as a consequence of. In this discussion you have continued to ignore certain consequences caused to other human beings and you have tried to take focus away. You got quite near to answering a few posts ago though.
And I really don't care that some internet feels like he has to force me into saying what he wants me to say, and won't be happy until I do.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostIt is the culture of death hanging onto a horrible decision for no other reason than "but that's what we WANT".
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/201...ded-Roe-v-Wade
Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostPerhaps. That doesn't change the fact that it was a horrible legal decision.Last edited by Tassman; 10-21-2019, 12:04 AM.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostYour favorite phrase: .The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostYour favorite phrase:Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostSo killing millions of our own offspring is a culture of life...
Strange cult, this culture of death.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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