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Originally posted by JimL View PostThat doesn't answer the question, Bill. Would you have supported the forcing of the 11 year old rape victim to give birth, or not?
So yes, if the girl's life was not in clear and imminent danger, I would "force" her to carry to term and give birth.Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostI'll answer it. It's not hard from a pro-life perspective. Yes, the 11 year old should not be permitted to have an abortion unless their life is truly at risk. A C-section delivery would be the least bad option for all parties (including the baby who did not ask to be conceived via rape). The rapist should have to turn over their life's savings to the child before entering prison, and it would be wholly appropriate for the government to ensure that the child has any educational, physical and mental health resources available.Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.
Beige Federalist.
Nationalist Christian.
"Everybody is somebody's heretic."
Social Justice is usually the opposite of actual justice.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostSo, in your view, its OK to kill human beings once they're outside the womb?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by NorrinRadd View PostI tend to favor capital punishment for rapists, esp. rapists of children.
Capital Punishment:Throughout history, the definition of what constitutes murder has evolved. Modern legal systems group the crime of murder into several classifications, which depend on the specific circumstances of the crime. These classifications include:- Intentional Murder
- Murder resulting from an intentional action meant to cause serious bodily harm
- Murder resulting from extreme and wanton recklessness
- Murder by an accomplice as an individual commits, attempts to commit, or flees from the commission of a felony
- Murder of a police officer or criminal justice employee in the performance of their duties
- In EVERY CASE, the person convicted of capital murder has been convicted of performing an act worthy of the punishment
- Occasionally, an innocent person is put to death through wrong conviction for various reasons
Abortion:The termination of a pregnancy after, accompanied by, resulting in, or closely followed by the death of the embryo or fetus. Reasons for killing the baby include:- inconvenience to the mother, at no fault whatsoever of the baby
- in RARE cases, through no fault of his own, the baby causes risk of death to the mother
- through no fault of his own, in RARE cases, the baby exists as a result of rape, to which the baby was not a party
- In no case EVER has the baby committed any crime or performed any action worthy of death
- In EVERY case, an innocent person is put to death, usually for dubious reasons, never their own fault
The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Even in such a rare case like what we're talking about (and they are rare), pro-lifers acknowledge that there are no winners. It's not like anybody likes the idea of a child giving birth."I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostEven in such a rare case like what we're talking about (and they are rare), pro-lifers acknowledge that there are no winners. It's not like anybody likes the idea of a child giving birth.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostIt still amazes me that somebody like Tassman can post something so incredibly jackass stupid, comparing abortion to capital punishment.babyclump of cells was 'killing' her figure so she turned to the trusty old "womb broom"
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostB-but thebabyclump of cells was 'killing' her figure so she turned to the trusty old "womb broom"The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Tassman View Post
So, back to the question: do you support a first-term abortion as allowed under Roe v Wade and supported by the majority of the population, for the 11-year-old pregnant rape victim? You have yet to answer the question.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostSo, in your view, its OK to kill human beings once they're outside the womb?Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostI'll answer it. It's not hard from a pro-life perspective. Yes, the 11 year old should not be permitted to have an abortion unless their life is truly at risk. A C-section delivery would be the least bad option for all parties (including the baby who did not ask to be conceived via rape). The rapist should have to turn over their life's savings to the child before entering prison, and it would be wholly appropriate for the government to ensure that the child has any educational, physical and mental health resources available.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostIt still amazes me that somebody like Tassman can post something so incredibly jackass stupid, comparing abortion to capital punishment.
Capital Punishment:Throughout history, the definition of what constitutes murder has evolved. Modern legal systems group the crime of murder into several classifications, which depend on the specific circumstances of the crime. These classifications include:- Intentional Murder
- Murder resulting from an intentional action meant to cause serious bodily harm
- Murder resulting from extreme and wanton recklessness
- Murder by an accomplice as an individual commits, attempts to commit, or flees from the commission of a felony
- Murder of a police officer or criminal justice employee in the performance of their duties
- In EVERY CASE, the person convicted of capital murder has been convicted of performing an act worthy of the punishment
- Occasionally, an innocent person is put to death through wrong conviction for various reasons
Abortion:The termination of a pregnancy after, accompanied by, resulting in, or closely followed by the death of the embryo or fetus. Reasons for killing the baby include:- inconvenience to the mother, at no fault whatsoever of the baby
- in RARE cases, through no fault of his own, the baby causes risk of death to the mother
- through no fault of his own, in RARE cases, the baby exists as a result of rape, to which the baby was not a party
- In no case EVER has the baby committed any crime or performed any action worthy of death
- In EVERY case, an innocent person is put to death, usually for dubious reasons, never their own fault
Also, the woman has rights too, which you are blithely ignoring.
OTOH capital punishment DOES wantonly kill actual, sentient persons and there can be no justification for this in a civilized society.
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