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"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View Post7-2 means that even some of the court's liberals voted in favor of it.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Roy View PostA quick check of the supreme court members when Roe v Wade was passed suggests that there was neither a Republican-Democrat nor a conservative-liberal split in that vote. I don't see anything that suggests RvW was a result of the left subverting the legal process.
And even if it was, since when did "they did it first" become a legitimate excuse?Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostWhatever it was, the decision was certainly not conservative, however you purport to "quickly check" the justices involved.
Lemme know when you figure out that I'm as much against that as you ostensibly are. I want conservative justices to correct the gross misreading of the Constitution that was Roe v. Wade, not create further errors supporting positions with which I happen to agree."I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostOut of curiosity, would you be in support of a hypothetical overturning of Roe that went completely in the other direction, i.e. finding that the Constitution affirmatively prohibits abortion?Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostI would, though what is likely to happen is that the question will be returned to the states - where it belonged."I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostIf the states aren't going to protect life (a value promoted in the Declaration of Independence) then I think it falls on the federal government to intervene, as it did on the issue of slavery. Political forecasters think fewer than half of states would actually ban it if Roe fell.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostOut of curiosity, would you be in support of a hypothetical overturning of Roe that went completely in the other direction, i.e. finding that the Constitution affirmatively prohibits abortion?Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostOut of curiosity, would you be in support of a hypothetical overturning of Roe that went completely in the other direction, i.e. finding that the Constitution affirmatively prohibits abortion?Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.
Beige Federalist.
Nationalist Christian.
"Everybody is somebody's heretic."
Social Justice is usually the opposite of actual justice.
Proud member of the this space left blank community.
Would-be Grand Vizier of the Padishah Maxi-Super-Ultra-Hyper-Mega-MAGA King Trumpius Rex.
Justice for Ashli Babbitt!
Justice for Matthew Perna!
Arrest Ray Epps and his Fed bosses!
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Originally posted by Roy View PostSo instead of making a case against abortion etc that would persuade existing judges to adopt your views and change the laws, you're appointing new judges that already agree with you and who will change the laws regardless of whether there is any reason to do so.
Your entire strategy is an admission that you have no legitimate arguments and all you can do is subvert the legal process, and you voted for Trump because he promised to do so.
As for the claim there are no legitimate arguments, there's plenty of legitimate arguments against Roe v. Wade, some offered by people who were strongly pro-choice.
For that matter, what I find notable about this argument is that what you decry is exactly what people always do with legislators. A legislator isn't buying your argument for the passing or repeal of a law? You elect a new legislator. No one would claim that's somehow wrong. Aha, you say, but that's the legislature. Courts work differently. Well, they're supposed to, but in a case like Roe v. Wade where they clearly took the job of legislature and effectively enacted laws, you have to treat them like a legislature (seriously, the rules they set up in that case concerning what you could restrict and when during pregnancy read more like an enacted law than a court decision).
Originally posted by rogue06 View Post7-2 means that even some of the court's liberals voted in favor of it.
Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostOut of curiosity, would you be in support of a hypothetical overturning of Roe that went completely in the other direction, i.e. finding that the Constitution affirmatively prohibits abortion?
I suppose someone could try to make the argument that abortion violates natural/moral law, which would trump even the Constitution--but that's a whole argument to itself.
Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostIf the states aren't going to protect life (a value promoted in the Declaration of Independence) then I think it falls on the federal government to intervene, as it did on the issue of slavery.
Or is this a reference to Thirteenth Amendment? Because that, like any amendment, was only partially federal given you had to get a whole lot of states to sign up for it.
Political forecasters think fewer than half of states would actually ban it if Roe fell.
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Originally posted by NorrinRadd View PostReluctantly, but then I'd hope for a serious movement to amend the Constitution.
I suspect my caffeine pills are of insufficient potency.Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.
Beige Federalist.
Nationalist Christian.
"Everybody is somebody's heretic."
Social Justice is usually the opposite of actual justice.
Proud member of the this space left blank community.
Would-be Grand Vizier of the Padishah Maxi-Super-Ultra-Hyper-Mega-MAGA King Trumpius Rex.
Justice for Ashli Babbitt!
Justice for Matthew Perna!
Arrest Ray Epps and his Fed bosses!
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostI'm not sure how the Constitution could be read that way. The Declaration of Independence, on the other hand....
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by seer View PostThe bottom line:
'Historic milestone': Senate confirms 150th Trump judicial nominee
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...icial-nominee/
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Originally posted by JimL View PostDon't care to hear about your excuses for voting for a lying, theiving, white nationalist, undemocratic, treasonous con man, wannabe dictator, seer.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostAs my constitutional law professor often pointed out, unlike the Constitution the DI is not the law of the land.Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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