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Originally posted by Charles View PostAd hominem.That's what
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Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
- Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)
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Originally posted by Roy View PostNo - I know that when you write "God", you mean the Xtian one. But when Ben Franklin, Tom Jefferson and co write "Creator" ...?
they may join the penitent confession of their manifold sins, whereby they had forfeited every favor, and their humble and earnest supplication that it may please God, through the merits of Jesus Christ, mercifully to forgive and blot them out of remembrance; that it may please him graciously to afford his blessings on the governments of these states respectively, and prosper the public council of the whole; to inspire our commanders both by land and sea, and all under them, with that wisdom and fortitude which may render them fit instruments, under the providence of Almighty God...
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The phrase "Founding Fathers" is a proper noun. It refers to a very specific group of people, the 55 delegates to the Constitutional Convention. Yes, there were other important players, like Jefferson, whose thinking deeply influenced the shape of our nation and who were not in attendance, but the 55 Fathers make up the core.
The denominational affiliation of these men is a matter of public record. Among the delegates were 28 Episcopalians, 8 Presbyterians, 7 Congregationalists, 2 Lutherans, 2 Dutch Reformed, 2 Methodists, 2 Roman Catholics, 1 unknown and only 3 deists--Williamson, Wilson and Franklin, this at a time when church membership entailed a sworn public confession of biblical faith.
This is a very revealing tally. It means that the members of the Constitutional Convention, the most influential group of men shaping the political foundations of our nation, were almost all Christians, 51 of 55--a full 93%. Indeed, most were Calvinists (the Presbyterians and the Dutch Reformed), considered by some to be the most extreme and dogmatic form of Christianity.
(John Eidsmoe, Christianity and the Constitution, (Grand Rapids: Baker, 1987), p. 43.)
https://www.str.org/quickthoughts/wh...s#.XYo3-ChKiM9Last edited by seer; 09-24-2019, 10:36 AM.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Roy View PostNo - I know that when you write "God", you mean the Xtian one.
But when Ben Franklin, Tom Jefferson and co write "Creator" ...?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostWell, you "know" something that is flat out false. I mean the Judeo-Christian one.
Which, at the time, was clearly understood to be the Judeo-Christian one.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Terraceth View PostThe Declaration of Independence was not a legal document, outside of whatever force you ascribe to its declaration of secession itself. Phrases like "all men are created equal", while nice sentiments, have no legal force whatsoever. The Declaration of Independence's primary purpose was, aside from declaring independence, to try to convince the other colonists that doing so was a good idea. It was never meant to "apply" to laws of the United States. Trying to use it as any kind of legal document is foolhardy.
For that matter, the issue of whether slaves counted as humans was irrelevant to the question of the constitutionality of slavery. In fact, to this day, slavery is constitutional under certain circumstances. Don't believe me? Read the Thirteenth Amendment: "Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."
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Originally posted by seer View PostRight and Jefferson was one man and his separation of church and state has no force in law. And your link is right Connecticut is my state, and we had a Church tax, to support the state Church. State supported churches lasted into the 1830s. They simply fell by the way side, not because they violated the Establishment Clause.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostThe Constitution means what the Supreme Court saysAtheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by JimL View PostJefferson was one, and Madison, the main architect of the Constitution was another, and the courts take the writings of many of the founders into consideration when determining the meaning of the "Establishment Clause". They are separate, the Founders meant for there to be a wall between them, and they should be separate, as wise men like themselves understood, religious themselves though they were.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostWell, you "know" something that is flat out false. I mean the Judeo-Christian one.Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.
seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...
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Originally posted by Roy View PostThis is definitely a side-track, but ... how is the Judeo-Christian God not the same as the Christian God?
http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/sh...l=1#post672163Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostSo you agree that the majority of the Founders would have seen God as the Christian God?Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.
seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...
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Originally posted by Roy View PostEvery time I've seen you start a post with "So you agree..." you've followed it with a non sequitur. That's one of the reasons I've given up on having an honest discussion with you.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostReally Roy, it is a simple question. The fact is the majority of the Founders would have seen this as the Christian God. Why not just admit it?
[seer mode]
So you agree that the establishment clause of the first amendment applies to state and local governments?
[/seer mode]Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.
seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...
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