Updating, mostly for my own future record, the Twitter discussion between Seth Rockman and Pseudoerasmus from before.
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The irony of the New York Times� 1619 Project...
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"I wonder about the trees. / Why do we wish to bear / Forever the noise of these / More than another noise / Robert Frost, "The Sound of Trees"
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Originally posted by Sam View PostWho among us can forget those Buddy-Moses Pharisees and their notorious disregard for purity laws in their zealous pursuit of social justice and advocacy for the poor and marginalized?Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostNo, you just openly question whether or not Christian Trump supporters are living consistently with our faith, which effectively amounts to the same thing.
2) It is NOT the same thing. First we are saved by grace, not by works. Second, we are commanded that if we see a BROTHER in sin to go to him, to call it out. So when I question if supporting something Trump is doing is consistent with Christian faith I am doing no less than I am commanded to do by scripture itself.
JimMy brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostI'm certain the pharisees didn't think they deserved to be called out either.
JimMy brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Adding a working paper from Olmstead and Rhode critical of New History of Capitalism claims surrounding cotton production & slavery."I wonder about the trees. / Why do we wish to bear / Forever the noise of these / More than another noise / Robert Frost, "The Sound of Trees"
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostAnd I notice you've not bothered to check the physician heal thyself reference either ... or did you intend to paint yourself as the pharisee?
JimSome may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post1) that is not what I question. I question if it is consistent for a Christian to support many of the thing TRUMP IS DOING.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostNo, you question whether it is consistent for a Christian to support certain policies that you happen to disagree with.
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A worthwhile article for those who decided (before reading all the essays, I think) that there's nothing "new" in the 1619 Project's account of US history in regards to slavery and exploitation. The fact is that history, as taught in America, is pretty lousy with giving a good overview of the things historians know and often gets caught up (by accident or intent) in nostalgia and mythology.
"How is slavery taught in America? Schools struggle to teach it well". Joe Heim. The Washington Post. 2019.08.28."I wonder about the trees. / Why do we wish to bear / Forever the noise of these / More than another noise / Robert Frost, "The Sound of Trees"
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Originally posted by Chuckles View PostI can see why you would like to change the question. The question whether "it is consistent for a Christian to support many of the thing TRUMP IS DOING." is a lot harder to answer and it seems you could not or would not answer it. That, however, says a lot in itself.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostYou do know the saying predates the New Testament, right?My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostNo, you question whether it is consistent for a Christian to support certain policies that you happen to disagree with.
The major point being, im not questioning anyone's actual commitjent to Christ. I'm questioning people's understanding of the implications of supporting what Trump is doing on that committment.
JimMy brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostNope... there is a big, big difference between what Trump SAYS he is doing, and what his critics say he is doing.
And this has always been the case with autocratic or power thirsty personalities.
And it is why freedom of the press is absolutely critical to preserving any free or democratic form of government.
JimMy brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostNope... there is a big, big difference between what Trump is doing, and what his critics say he is doing.
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