Originally posted by Sparko
View Post
Announcement
Collapse
Civics 101 Guidelines
Want to argue about politics? Healthcare reform? Taxes? Governments? You've come to the right place!
Try to keep it civil though. The rules still apply here.
Try to keep it civil though. The rules still apply here.
See more
See less
To Reduce Gun Violence, Congress Must Address Mental Health
Collapse
X
-
-
Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostRemember, until 1973, psychiatry used to tell us homosexuality was a mental illness!
Comment
-
Originally posted by Sparko View PostWell my understanding of the "red flag" law would be that if a person sets off one of the flags, the police has the right to bring that person before a judge for a hearing, with his lawyer, and only after a judge has ruled can the person's guns be taken away. That is to allow due process. I think they will also need to have regular hearings to re-evaluate the person as time goes on.
I am not sure, and I hope it isn't just up to a judge, but the guy has to have professional evaluation by a medical professional.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
Comment
-
Originally posted by Adrift View PostWould a red flag require, first, actually breaking a law? Or could it be based on an officer's assessment after, say, filing a spousal conflict form? And if after breaking a law, which types of laws? Could looking a bit nutty after failing to signal get your guns taken from you?
My biggest worry is that they will enact something, then someone will still end up shooting up a school and the liberals will cry that we need stronger red flag laws. rinse and repeat until they get their way and nobody can have a gun or they can just accuse someone of being "insane" and take away their guns without due process and you have to go to court to prove yourself sane to get them back.
Comment
-
Originally posted by Adrift View PostYeah, I think psychiatry has done some great goods for society, but it does become a case of "who watches the watchers?" Men and women wearing white lab coats have become the priests of this secular age.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
Comment
-
Originally posted by Adrift View PostWould a red flag require, first, actually breaking a law?
Or could it be based on an officer's assessment after, say, filing a spousal conflict form? And if after breaking a law, which types of laws? Could looking a bit nutty after failing to signal get your guns taken from you?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
Comment
-
Originally posted by Sparko View PostThat I don't know. There are a lot of holes in this whole red flag idea.
My biggest worry is that they will enact something, then someone will still end up shooting up a school and the liberals will cry that we need stronger red flag laws. rinse and repeat until they get their way and nobody can have a gun or they can just accuse someone of being "insane" and take away their guns without due process and you have to go to court to prove yourself sane to get them back.
Comment
-
Originally posted by Adrift View PostProbably for another thread, but I think this is a legit concern, especially considering the many abuses that were prevalent in asylums in the 19th and 20th century. As a prominent psychiatrist/psychologist himself, I think Thomas Szasz's work on this subject is relevant. Here's a brief summary of his views from Wikipedia,Abolition of the insanity defense and involuntary hospitalization
Szasz believed that testimony about the mental competence of a defendant should not be admissible in trials. Psychiatrists testifying about the mental state of an accused person's mind have about as much business as a priest testifying about the religious state of a person's soul in our courts. Insanity was a legal tactic invented to circumvent the punishments of the Church, which at the time included confiscation of the property of those who committed suicide, often leaving widows and orphans destitute. Only an insane person would do such a thing to his widow and children, it was successfully argued. This is legal mercy masquerading as medicine, according to Szasz.
No one should be deprived of liberty unless he is found guilty of a criminal offense. Depriving a person of liberty for what is said to be his own good is immoral. Just as a person suffering from terminal cancer may refuse treatment, so should a person be able to refuse psychiatric treatment.
I actually think his view goes too far, and I definitely think it's in society's best interest to offer help to the mentally ill, even if they're competent enough to refuse it, but thinking back to past psychiatric measures, and keeping in consideration questions on autonomy, I find myself divided on the issue."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
"Forgiveness is the way of love." Gary Chapman
My Personal Blog
My Novella blog (Current Novella Begins on 7/25/14)
Quill Sword
Comment
-
Originally posted by Sparko View PostWell its logical. Do you want people who are too crazy to own a gun voting?"He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
"Forgiveness is the way of love." Gary Chapman
My Personal Blog
My Novella blog (Current Novella Begins on 7/25/14)
Quill Sword
Comment
-
Originally posted by Teallaura View PostWhich would bother more people if they could lose it? That's the one you want this tied to to help ensure gun owners aren't railroaded.
Comment
-
Originally posted by Sparko View PostI am just thinking like a liberal. If we take guns away from people and their vote, then they can't vote to change back the law."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
"Forgiveness is the way of love." Gary Chapman
My Personal Blog
My Novella blog (Current Novella Begins on 7/25/14)
Quill Sword
Comment
Related Threads
Collapse
Topics | Statistics | Last Post | ||
---|---|---|---|---|
Started by Cow Poke, Today, 09:42 AM
|
5 responses
18 views
0 likes
|
Last Post
by rogue06
Today, 11:01 AM
|
||
Started by Cow Poke, Today, 08:04 AM
|
23 responses
88 views
0 likes
|
Last Post Today, 11:24 AM | ||
Started by Cow Poke, Today, 07:47 AM
|
17 responses
47 views
0 likes
|
Last Post
by Sparko
Today, 10:38 AM
|
||
Started by Starlight, Yesterday, 10:22 PM
|
12 responses
79 views
0 likes
|
Last Post
by seer
Today, 08:49 AM
|
||
Started by seer, Yesterday, 01:39 PM
|
13 responses
53 views
0 likes
|
Last Post
by rogue06
Today, 08:27 AM
|
Comment