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Originally posted by Sparko View PostWell we have successfully gotten JimL and crew to agree with the conservative conspiracy that Epstein was murdered, instead of going with the liberal talking points that he just committed suicide.Remember that you are dust and to dust you shall return.
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostJust wanted to inform you that it isn't anything personal on your part. This has been a pet peeve of his for years.Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.
Beige Federalist.
Nationalist Christian.
"Everybody is somebody's heretic."
Social Justice is usually the opposite of actual justice.
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Justice for Ashli Babbitt!
Justice for Matthew Perna!
Arrest Ray Epps and his Fed bosses!
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Originally posted by Sparko View Postyou mean like:
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Beige Federalist.
Nationalist Christian.
"Everybody is somebody's heretic."
Social Justice is usually the opposite of actual justice.
Proud member of the this space left blank community.
Would-be Grand Vizier of the Padishah Maxi-Super-Ultra-Hyper-Mega-MAGA King Trumpius Rex.
Justice for Ashli Babbitt!
Justice for Matthew Perna!
Arrest Ray Epps and his Fed bosses!
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Originally posted by Raphael View PostThat why I commented it's amusing watching the Left torn between wanting to mock the Right Tin Foil Hatters for thinking the Clinton's ordered a hit, and wanting to put on their own Tin Foil Hat and say Trump ordered a hit......there a few of them here doing that.....
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Originally posted by Raphael View PostThat why I commented it's amusing watching the Left torn between wanting to mock the Right Tin Foil Hatters for thinking the Clinton's ordered a hit, and wanting to put on their own Tin Foil Hat and say Trump ordered a hit......there a few of them here doing that.....
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostDo you think that will end the conspiracy theory frenzy, or just feed it more?
I missed part of the interview, but Cyril Wecht believes the medical evidence disclosed so far is not sufficiently accounted for by suicide by "leaning forward" with a bedsheet noose in place. It would require "velocity," such as from jumping from the top bunk. I didn't catch all he said, but I got the impression he believed the top bunk showed no signs of having been used.
OTOH, video cameras show no one in the vicinity of the cell during the hours in which the death is believed to have occurred.
Complete autopsy details must be reviewed. Condition of the cell, especially the top bunk, must be documented as accurately as possible. Video equipment must be checked for tampering. Timing of the death must be verified to the extent possible.
MCC personnel have been less than totally cooperative with investigators.Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.
Beige Federalist.
Nationalist Christian.
"Everybody is somebody's heretic."
Social Justice is usually the opposite of actual justice.
Proud member of the this space left blank community.
Would-be Grand Vizier of the Padishah Maxi-Super-Ultra-Hyper-Mega-MAGA King Trumpius Rex.
Justice for Ashli Babbitt!
Justice for Matthew Perna!
Arrest Ray Epps and his Fed bosses!
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostDo you think that will end the conspiracy theory frenzy, or just feed it more?Remember that you are dust and to dust you shall return.
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Originally posted by seanD View PostFair enough. But do have any experience dealing with a high profile criminal like Epstein who apparently had a criminal network of other wealthy and powerful folks involved in his criminal conspiracy? See this is what bothers me. You guys treat this like it was just another day in prison life with just another criminal and it wasn't. This is one reason I don't buy the guard story (the idea they just didn't care and were treating it like another mundane situation) or the "this happens all the time in prisons" argument you guys use to explain it away. It would be like having a famous mob boss locked up, then something weird happens to him with a series of unusual things surrounding it, and you arguing "well this stuff happens all the time in prisons." No it doesn't under the circumstances
I wasn't try to make myself seem high and mighty with what I previously wrote, I just thought that my training, education, and experience was relevant information for you to consider when I made statements about homicide investigations.
I agree that your conspiracy theory is POSSIBLE, I'm just saying that you've done a poor job of explaining why it's PROBABLE. As an example, it's possible that Trump's friends from Mars used their inter-dimensional spaceship to instantaneously appear in Epstein's jail cell and strangle him. But investigations are mostly about what's probable, not what's possible.
You know, I typed a up a big long response explaining why a hyoid bone fracture in a suspected hanging from a prison cell doesn't make me lean towards homicide (absent other context like tampered video footage, etc.) But I realize you're having too much fun with this conspiracy theory to really pay attention to any of what I would have said. If you truly want to know, I'll try to find more time to explain it. But unless you ask me to, I think I'll just save myself the time at this point. (It involves what one of the owners said about prison hangings being essentially a self-strangling.)"If you believe, take the first step, it leads to Jesus Christ. If you don't believe, take the first step all the same, for you are bidden to take it. No one wants to know about your faith or unbelief, your orders are to perform the act of obedience on the spot. Then you will find yourself in the situation where faith becomes possible and where faith exists in the true sense of the word." - Dietrich Bonhoeffer, The Cost of Discipleship
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Originally posted by NorrinRadd View PostStill too many anomalies and unanswered questions.
I missed part of the interview, but Cyril Wecht believes the medical evidence disclosed so far is not sufficiently accounted for by suicide by "leaning forward" with a bedsheet noose in place. It would require "velocity," such as from jumping from the top bunk. I didn't catch all he said, but I got the impression he believed the top bunk showed no signs of having been used.
OTOH, video cameras show no one in the vicinity of the cell during the hours in which the death is believed to have occurred.
Complete autopsy details must be reviewed. Condition of the cell, especially the top bunk, must be documented as accurately as possible. Video equipment must be checked for tampering. Timing of the death must be verified to the extent possible.
MCC personnel have been less than totally cooperative with investigators."If you believe, take the first step, it leads to Jesus Christ. If you don't believe, take the first step all the same, for you are bidden to take it. No one wants to know about your faith or unbelief, your orders are to perform the act of obedience on the spot. Then you will find yourself in the situation where faith becomes possible and where faith exists in the true sense of the word." - Dietrich Bonhoeffer, The Cost of Discipleship
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Originally posted by NorrinRadd View PostI think it's silly that anyone would complain about what I consider a normal and organized way of dealing with a multi-point post, and I would probably block someone for whining about it. And I almost NEVER block people.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostThat's because for them when conservatives make unfounded allegations it is nothing more than crazy talk but when liberals do it then it is entirely sensible and reasonable and needs to be thoroughly investigated (and re-investigated until they get the result they want).The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostDo you think that will end the conspiracy theory frenzy, or just feed it more?Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by NorrinRadd View PostOTOH, video cameras show no one in the vicinity of the cell during the hours in which the death is believed to have occurred.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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