Another Racist Tweet?

[Jim B.]

Oh, and I forgot to add the most important one. Trump rose to national political importance by trying to delegitimize the first black president, by in effect accusing him of the greatest political hoax the world has ever seen. Then he demanded to see Obama's transcripts, the implication being that Trump couldn't believe that a black guy could be smart enough to go to Harvard legimitimately. (Where are Trump's transcripts, BTW?)

[Jim B.]

No, it was the point you SHOULD have made.

OK, so that's why you wrote. "On that we agree"?

[Teallaura]

This could be interesting. Guess where the upcoming House GOP retreat is scheduled to be?

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4...-trump-attacks

FYI: It's not in Cummings' district. But it is funny.

[Jim B.]

That would be the Don Lemon who seriously asked whether or not a lost jetliner could have been swallowed by a black hole?

Don Lemon is dumber than Steve Doocy? Really? Or a half dozen other numb nuts at FN? But they all like Trump. The only criterion Trump has or has ever had or will ever have for judging intelligence or moral or personal worth (other than wealth).

[Teallaura]

I had read claims that it didn't, and when I did look it up to verify, maybe I was confused with St. Louis, which differentiates between St. Louis City and St. Louis County (St. Louis County being an affluent suburban area). I don't know. I feel bad, truthfully.

Don't. Making mistakes is normal - you should only feel bad if you won't own up to them once you know you made them. I didn't even bother to double check until Adrift said something because you are usually good about getting your facts straight. Is. Not. A. Problem.

[Teallaura]

Don Lemon is dumber than Steve Doocy? Really? Or a half dozen other numb nuts at FN? But they all like Trump. The only criterion Trump has or has ever had or will ever have for judging intelligence or moral or personal worth (other than wealth).

Actually, I don't worry about how smart other people are - just how good their argument is. But if you are going to take up for someone's intelligence, it helps to know that they really are as smart as you think - or why, exactly people think they aren't smart.

But mostly, it was funny. Anyone can have a bad day.

[One Bad Pig]

You seemed to be posing it as a deflection in response to my earlier post, yes?

Deflection? No. It was an observation.

Yes, I agree. I don't think it can be absolutely proved absent an outright admission to that effect. I do think we can observe a pattern of statements that make it less likely to read every subsequent statement in the most charitable light possible.

I find it fascinating that no one, no one, called out Trump as racist before he threw his hat into the ring. I think that the "pattern" you're talking about is a consistent attempt to read his statements from that point in the least charitable light possible. I'm not trying to read his statements in the most charitable light possible, by the way. I'm making a general observation about his way of speaking - that is, generally sloppy enough to be construed badly, but more or less on target for all that. I have consistently not been a fan of Trump's method of communication. I have equally consistently not been a fan of how the left/never Trumpers in general have construed them.

[Cow Poke]

OK, so that's why you wrote. "On that we agree"?

Pretty dishonest of you to eliminate what I was "agreeing" to, rather tongue-in-cheek...

OK, so there's a whole lot of nutty false accusation of racism going around -- on THAT we agree!

THAT is on what I wrote "we agree".

[NorrinRadd]

It's not merely that it's criticism. Let's not pretend there aren't other historical associations with rats/vermin, the specific language he used.

Unless this is some strained obtuse allusion to the "black" plague, I am honestly unfamiliar with any relevant "historical association."

[Teallaura]

Unless this is some strained obtuse allusion to the "black" plague, I am honestly unfamiliar with any relevant "historical association."

The only one I can think of is the anti-Semite version. I'm from the South and I don't know what he's referring to, either.

[NorrinRadd]

They also believed it was hypocritical to pretend that you were someone else, even while acting.

So the early Xians were wack-jobs.

[Teallaura]

So the early Xians were wack-jobs.

Not ALL of them!

[NorrinRadd]

Oh, and I forgot to add the most important one. Trump rose to national political importance by trying to delegitimize the first black president, by in effect accusing him of the greatest political hoax the world has ever seen.

Of course it's well known that Trump did not originate Birtherism, even if he did jump on the bandwagon with a full orchestra in tow. And it never was about "race," it was about American values, and the strategy was promulgated by Hilary advisor Mark Penn (who remains a Democrat, but now frequently appears on FNC as a token "sane" Dem., sort of like Doug Schoen).

Then he demanded to see Obama's transcripts, the implication being that Trump couldn't believe that a black guy could be smart enough to go to Harvard legimitimately.

No, the implication is that, while "clean" and "articulate" (thanks, Crazy Uncle Joe), Barry came across as way too dumb to really be a Constitutional scholar.

(Where are Trump's transcripts, BTW?)

I'm actually with you on this one. With all his "very low IQ person" comments, I'd like to see verifiable documentation of Bad Orange Man's scores.

[demi-conservative]

https://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/122708...racism-history

Trump has a long-standing pattern of such behavior. It's being said for the 474th time maybe because he's saying or doing it for the 474th time. If he's not a racist himself, he's at least manipulating the racism of some of his followers for what he believes to be his advantage.

[Charles]

Right! And the four Congresswomen were Dems who all happened to be women and minorities but pay no attention to that, and Cummings is black, but that's immaterial, and the "infestation" at the border is due to brown people, but that's irrelevant, and the Central Park Five, whose innocence were established from DNA evidence and Trump continued to call for their EXECUTION WITHOUT DUE PROCESS had nothing to do with the fact that all five were black, and the fact that Trump and Trump Sr. were sued for housing discrimination against black people was immaterial, and the fact that Trump called Maxine Waters and LeBron James "extremely low IQ individuals" had nothing to do with their race, nor did the fact that Trump called Don Lemon "the dumbest man on TV" have anything to do with his race. These are al isolated, unrelated instances.

If you don't see a pattern here, it's because you don't want to see it. There are none so blind as those who will not see.

Completely agree.