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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostNo, all politics is about power. Identity is just the latest trend in window dressing.
If you disagree - then your course is simple: give me an example of an exercise of political power that was NOT about a particular group of people.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostThe fact you are ignorant of history and the use of the phrase "go back where they came from" does not change the facts surrounding its historical use and the implications of its use by Trump.
JimAtheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostIf you disagree - then your course is simple: give me an example of an exercise of political power that was NOT about a particular group of people.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostAgain Jim was the term we used in the 60s, "America, love it or leave it" racist? If I told an America hating Russian immigrant to go back where he came from - racist?
"Go back where you came from" is a specific statement aimed at an individual or group that is deemed an "outsider."
This is an apples-to-oranges comparison.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by seer View PostHow about a particular set of values or ideals?The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by Leonhard View PostListen, seer, if you wanna talk about it feel free. But argument by weblink is not something I'm interested in.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostAs I said to MM, "go back where they came from" is racist (and anti-immigration) rhetoric that has been in common use from before the KKK was formed.
For Trump to use it and double down on it can really lead to no other conclusion.
Jim
Again, this is clearly a political statement and not a racist one.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by seer View PostLeonhard, if you have some free time listen to Jordan.
1) He's a postmodernist and doesn't realize it.
B) He doesn't have a clue what postmodernism is.
III) His book Maps of Meaning is a mess.Last edited by Leonhard; 07-16-2019, 01:40 PM.
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostPolitics are an exercise in power - no doubt about it. But it is always on behalf of an identifiable group.
If you disagree - then your course is simple: give me an example of an exercise of political power that was NOT about a particular group of people.
You just affirmed my position - politics is about power."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
"Forgiveness is the way of love." Gary Chapman
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostThe fact you are ignorant of history and the use of the phrase "go back where they came from" does not change the facts surrounding its historical use and the implications of its use by Trump.
JimSome may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostVague. Give me a concrete example of an exercise of political power that was NOT about a particular group of people. Then you can make the case that politics is not always about identity. I don't see how you can do it. There is no political position/movement/concept that wasn't conceived because someone(s) somewhere had a need.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post"America, love it or leave it" is a generic statement applicable to the entire population.
"Go back where you came from" is a specific statement aimed at an individual or group that is deemed an "outsider."
This is an apples-to-oranges comparison."As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostThe fact is that Trump never said "go back where they came from".
I guess you think because he suggested a job for them while they are there it makes it 'better'?
JimMy brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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