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Originally posted by Sparko View PostUm we have 60 times the population you do. And a lot larger cities with gang problems which account for a lot of gun homicides, and are mostly illegal guns that you would not get rid of with any regulations because they are criminals. Of the legal gun owners, the homicides are usually domestic disputes (bar fight, husband killing wife for cheating) and they don't pose a danger to the population in general. Mass killings are actually pretty rare considering the size of the country, they just tend to be newsworthy so when one happens you will hear all about it for a week or two. But as has been said already in this thread, if someone is bent on mass murder, they can easily find other means: fire like the Japanese guy this weekend, trucks and vans like in France and the UK, bombs like in Israel, or poison like the subway Sarin Gas attacks in Tokyo.
Rouge is crying about people not caring about other types of murder. Which is an absurd accusation. But, hey look, the US is a backwards dangerous place where murder is 5x as common as in Western Europe. Why not do something about it before judging other peoples' more successful public order practices.
Here is some perspective: https://econjwatch.org/File+download...f?mimetype=pdf
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostAnd ironically, it's the cities with the strictest gun laws that have by far the most gun violence.
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Good news for gun control advocates in the US (assuming their goal is to improve peace and safety and not simply tamp down a basic human right):
Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostHistorians literally label the Jacobin leftist reign a dictatorship (see Interpreting the French RevolutionTwelve Who Ruled: The Year of Terror in the French Revolution by R. R. Palmer, and The Terror in the French Revolution by Hugh Gough). They definitely challenged traditional hierarchies, but in doing so instated their own. As a centrist, your diatribe against the right doesn't effect my feelings at all, it's as a history lover that I've got issues."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostGood news for gun control advocates in the US (assuming their goal is to improve peace and safety and not simply tamp down a basic human right):
The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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It's just been announced today that New Zealand is likely going to get another set of new gun laws...
Firearms register among second raft of gun law reforms announced by PM:
Firearm owners will have to register their guns under a second raft of proposed law reform.... Other reforms announced on Monday include: halving the ten-year licence expiry to five-years; barring visitors to New Zealand from purchasing firearms; more powers for police to take guns; requiring a firearm licence for ammunition and parts purchases, and registering the country's estimated 260 gun clubs...
The ability for firearms owners to privately buy and sell guns will remain, and new rules around advertising firearms will be put in place...
The new bill is yet to be drafted. Nash expected it would be introduced in August, with a three month select committee process to follow."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
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Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostStarlight likes to define anything and everything bad as right wing and everything good as left wing.
My view is that there are major differences between 'left' and 'right', that morality matters in politics, that there are objective facts about which political views are better and how they affect people's lives, and that it's not just a 'he-says' 'she-says' thing. And just as not all those who say they are Christians act Christ-like, not all those who say or think they are on the 'left' necessarily act consistently with it. Many people can, and do, have pretty inconsistent political positions, and label themselves inaccurately. That doesn't change the fact that the left in politics is fundamentally good, as it attempts to distribute power to everyone, and has been responsible for bending the arc of history toward justice, as it has fought for democracy and against slavery and for distributing rights and power to all people, while the right in politics is fundamentally evil as it attempts to consolidate power in the hands of the few and have some rule over others."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostGood news for gun control advocates in the US (assuming their goal is to improve peace and safety and not simply tamp down a basic human right):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ted_death_ratehttps://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26551975
The figures speak for themselves.
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostSure. Just like some on this site like to define everything good as Christian and everything bad as Not True Christian.
My view is that there are major differences between 'left' and 'right', that morality matters in politics, that there are objective facts about which political views are better and how they affect people's lives, and that it's not just a 'he-says' 'she-says' thing. And just as not all those who say they are Christians act Christ-like, not all those who say or think they are on the 'left' necessarily act consistently with it. Many people can, and do, have pretty inconsistent political positions, and label themselves inaccurately. That doesn't change the fact that the left in politics is fundamentally good, as it attempts to distribute power to everyone, and has been responsible for bending the arc of history toward justice, as it has fought for democracy and against slavery and for distributing rights and power to all people, while the right in politics is fundamentally evil as it attempts to consolidate power in the hands of the few and have some rule over others."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostAnd yet, in Australia where guns are banned, the number of gun-related deaths is 1.04 per thousand whereas in the USA, where gun ownership is common, the number of gun related deaths is 19.51 per thousand.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ted_death_ratehttps://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26551975
The figures speak for themselves."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by Tassmoron View PostAnd yet, in Australia where guns are banned, the number of gun-related deaths is 1.04 per thousand whereas in the USA, where gun ownership is common, the number of gun related deaths is 19.51 per thousand.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ted_death_ratehttps://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26551975
The figures speak for themselves.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostThe fact that Australia's gun ban did nothing at all to reduce overall rates of homicide and violent crime which are higher now than before the ban also speaks for itself."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostThe fact that Australia's gun ban did nothing at all to reduce overall rates of homicide and violent crime which are higher now than before the ban also speaks for itself.
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostB-but, but fewer folks are using guns to kill each other and that is all the matters. I mean who cares about those dying by other means just as long as firearms are being used.
How is the US murder rate, ohh 5.3 per 100,000, that's right, you aren't crying about that.
Make America great again, by becoming Australia and its correct public order policies.
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