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Originally posted by Tassman View PostYou clipped the very point being made, https://www.motherjones.com/politics...nes-full-data/
And "Mother Jones"? Really?
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostHe was talking about the homicide rate in Australia since Port Arthur and how it has not dropped so it matters not a whit whether or not he considers it an outlier.And "Mother Jones"? Really?
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Umm, that is what I said.
Originally posted by Tassman View PostBut he like you is missing the point. The firearms ban was in reaction to the mass shooting in which 35 people were killed and 23 wounded in Port Arthur, with the intention that such a mass shooting never occur in Australia again.
And your cavalier dismissive attitude toward those killed by means other than by someone using a firearm is blatantly obvious for all to see. All you care about are those killed by a gun. It is crystal clear that all that matters to you is what was used by the killer to commit homicide with and if it isn't a gun then it doesn't matter.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
His and my point is that while it may have decreased the number of firearms-related homicide, folks just found other ways to kill each other since the homicide rate did not drop. That is what you keep trying to distract and deflect attention from.And your cavalier dismissive attitude toward those killed by means other than by someone using a firearm is blatantly obvious for all to see. All you care about are those killed by a gun. It is crystal clear that all that matters to you is what was used by the killer to commit homicide with and if it isn't a gun then it doesn't matter.
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As I said, in your warped and twisted view the only thing that matters is whether or not a firearm was used when someone is killed. If not, you don't care. They don't count. They are less than nothing.
You are applying your pro-abortion mentality consistently.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostAs I said, in your warped and twisted view the only thing that matters is whether or not a firearm was used when someone is killed. If not, you don't care. They don't count. They are less than nothing.
You are applying your pro-abortion mentality consistently.
The guns are banned now. Good riddance.
If you want to play with guns, that remains possible. Just not every type of gun.
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Originally posted by Zara View PostAs we said, these types of weapons are just too dangerous - it's too easy to kill people with them. Your argument is that it's just as easy with other types of weapons, we do not agree with that assessment. The list of Australian massacres also doesn't agree with that assessment.
The guns are banned now. Good riddance.
If you want to play with guns, that remains possible. Just not every type of gun.Be watchful, stand firm in the faith, act like men, be strong.
1 Corinthians 16:13
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Originally posted by Zara View PostAs we said, these types of weapons are just too dangerous - it's too easy to kill people with them. Your argument is that it's just as easy with other types of weapons, we do not agree with that assessment. The list of Australian massacres also doesn't agree with that assessment.
The guns are banned now. Good riddance.
If you want to play with guns, that remains possible. Just not every type of gun.
If you were correct then we would be seeing a decline in the murder rate. But we don't. Meanwhile here in the U.S. gun ownership has skyrocketed at exactly the same time that gun-related deaths have plummeted.
Fail better.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostNot. Even. Close.
If you were correct then we would be seeing a decline in the murder rate. But we don't. Meanwhile here in the U.S. gun ownership has skyrocketed at exactly the same time that gun-related deaths have plummeted.
Fail better.
Murder rate =/= massacre rate. So, why do you keep making the association.
Also, murder rates in Australia and New Zealand are tiny compared to that of the US - seriously, what is wrong with the US for so many people to feel they need to go murdering. Maybe sort your own backwards country out before judging others on their largely successful public order efforts.
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Originally posted by Zara View PostClose to what? Again, the top end of massacres in terms of dead and injured in both country were the result of semiautomatic weapons. End of point. The type of weapon that has been banned in both countries.
Murder rate =/= massacre rate. So, why do you keep making the association.
Also, murder rates in Australia and New Zealand are tiny compared to that of the US - seriously, what is wrong with the US for so many people to feel they need to go murdering. Maybe sort your own backwards country out before judging others on their largely successful public order efforts.
There is no such statistic as "massacre rate" - now you are just making up stuff.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostThere is no such statistic as "massacre rate" - now you are just making up stuff.
Semiautomatics resulted in the highest death tolls for massacres in New Zealand and Australia. That is why the weapons are banned. You don't like it, then don't move here. Stay and clean up the murder mess that is the US.
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Originally posted by Zara View PostYeah, good one Sparko.
Semiautomatics resulted in the highest death tolls for massacres in New Zealand and Australia. That is why the weapons are banned. You don't like it, then don't move here. Stay and clean up the murder mess that is the US.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostJust how many massacres do you have in New Zealand that you have to measure them by their own "rate?" - even in the the evil USA we just have a "homicide rate" which measures various types of killings per 100,000 people. Because homicides are a continual thing to be measured.
Yes, we measure homicide rates. In New Zealand there are 0.7 homicides per 100,000 people, in Australia, 0.8. In the US, meanwhile, that rate is 5.3 per 100,000 people. This is actually largely irrelevant to the point at hand.
We could say that it is clear that guns are not making it safer to be in the US, by a long shot. Look at the correlation, high gun ownership and almost 8x the number of murders.
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