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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View PostAnd I think you are. Identifying people who are breaking the law as lawbreakers is simple factual identification.
Originally posted by Bill the Cat View PostThe raids are against people who have outstanding warrants for deportation. That's not dehumanizing them. It's enforcing the law. The fact that you are emotionalizing it doesn't make it an emotional issue.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostI like how liberals are busy demonizing their opposition so they can cover up the fact the goal is to bring in a new liberal voter to make their opposition irrelevant.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostContrary to popular belief, entering the U.S. at any point along its border and seeking asylum is not illegal, so lumping asylum seekers in with "illegal immigrants" is simply more "us versus them" language designed to separate and dehumanize.
That's not true. As soon as they cross the border while not at a point of entry, they have broken the law.
The raids are targeted to those people, but every attempt to get clarification as to whether other immigrants encountered in the process would likewise be deported has resulted in silence.That's what
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostSo, by implication, you are arguing that new immigrants should not be admitted or allowed to become citizens because they might vote democratic?"The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View PostThat's not true. As soon as they cross the border while not at a point of entry, they have broken the law.
Originally posted by Bill the Cat View PostIf they are here illegally too,The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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So what lies have they told?
What laws are being ignored?
Where has any measure been passed to allow non-citizens to vote?
VoterID laws are resisted because they attempt to solve a problem that has not been shown to exist, and they make voting by legal citizens harder. The right claims the left is trying to "beef up their voting block." The left claims the right is trying to make it harder for legal citizens who are likely to vote Democratic to vote at all. If either is true, it is reprehensible.
I was not happy with the "ship them to their districts and cities" policy simply because of the unnecessary cost involved. My position on what should be happening at the border is a simple one: beef up the resources to handle asylum/immigration claims quickly and immediately deport those who do not qualify. In time, it will become clear that bogus claims will simply not get past the border and the rate of arrival will adjust accordingly. Requiring asylum seekers to request asylum from the first "safe" country is also a good idea - as is enabling embassies abroad to handle a greater number of requests.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostWhere has any measure been passed to allow non-citizens to vote?
IMMIGRANTS ARE GETTING THE RIGHT TO VOTE IN CITIES ACROSS AMERICA
https://www.newsweek.com/immigrants-...america-664467Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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I have never been against voter ID laws in general, but I believe voter ID laws are unjust if every measure to allow to vote hasn't been taken. This includes such measures as voting by mail.
Any law that makes it artificially difficult to acquire the means of voting, or that systematically target certain demographics, are indefensible. They will only be defended if they benefit the party in power. Like gerrymandering, which conservatives in the US are uneasy about, but don't really do anything about because they stand to benefit from it.
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Originally posted by seer View PostMaryland city voted Tuesday night to enfranchise noncitizens, the latest in a growing effort to expand immigrant voting rights.
IMMIGRANTS ARE GETTING THE RIGHT TO VOTE IN CITIES ACROSS AMERICA
https://www.newsweek.com/immigrants-...america-664467
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post...Personally, I do not think the onus for the current pool of illegal immigrants should be placed 100% on the backs of the people in question. We, the U.S., have some accountability as well and should be taking responsibility for our part in the situation. That is why I advocate for a balanced immigration policy that factors in the responsibilities of all parties.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
Where has any measure been passed to allow non-citizens to vote?
IIRC, Portland, Oregon has made similar moves although I don't know if they've been enacted.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by seer View PostMaryland city voted Tuesday night to enfranchise noncitizens, the latest in a growing effort to expand immigrant voting rights.
IMMIGRANTS ARE GETTING THE RIGHT TO VOTE IN CITIES ACROSS AMERICA
https://www.newsweek.com/immigrants-...america-664467
Maybe we should set aside the anti-immigrant sentiment and simply go back to our roots. After all, it seems to have been what the FF's intended, right?The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostInteresting. As far as I can tell, this is for local issues only, where noncitizens have issues. I do not see anything here about illegal citizens having this right. And I was surprised to find that this was actually the norm from 1776 to 1926, basically the first 150 years of our country's life.
Maybe we should set aside the anti-immigrant sentiment and simply go back to our roots. After all, it seems to have been what the FF's intended, right?Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostWhat do you mean the norm? I don't think there was a norm back then, I don't think we even had a defined idea of a citizen. But if I follow your logic we should let illegals vote in federal elections too...
Someone may be here on an H1B visa for work purposes, and be here for several years, raising children in the process. I have a colleague who lived that exact scenario. I see no reason they should not be able to vote on issues related to schools and other things that directly impact their families. I'm not sure how I feel about them voting in state or national elections. I'd have to think about it.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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