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1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Originally posted by tabibito View PostThe thief did as many works as he had opportunity to do in the circumstaces - he confessed Christ.
Grace allows for the fact sometimes we think we are doing good but we ultimately are not.
Grace allows for the fact we are week and stumble, we can't always overcome the sin nature in the moment. We don't always even want to overcome the sin nature in the moment.
Grace allows for the fact we come to the party late - and even though we only worked a very short time, our wages are the same as the fellow that worked all day - as it were.
Grace allows for forgiveness (notice that in our world of redefined sin and faux righteousness, when one commits whatever is now regarded as sin, no matter how far in the past, no matter what the old definition of sin was, there is no forgiveness. There is no allowances for the possibility of change, or of repentance. In this new world, one must not only never have sinned, one must never have sinned by what are the current (and constantly changing) definitions of sin and evil)
But a person that is not changed by their encounter with Christ, that person is not saved, no matter what words they use. A person cannot encounter the risen Christ and chose to follow Him and not be changed for the better.
But I am not qualified (nor is anyone) to assess with accuracy the actual state of a person before Christ at any given time. What we can do is call people to Christ and hold up the standard of what He calls us to and rebuke actions, words, attitudes that are contrary to who He is and what He calls us to.
JimLast edited by oxmixmudd; 06-25-2019, 08:39 AM.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by tabibito View Post1 Cor 3:15 presupposes that there is something to test.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostYes, that "something" would be one's works as a Christian, and Paul suggests in 1 Corinthians that when the Christian is tested, even if all of his works are burned up leaving nothing of value in the ashes, the person will still be saved even though he will suffer some kind of loss.
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The believer has produced works to be tested. There's plenty said about believers who build nothing, usually in Jesus' parables, and the outcome for them isn't salvation.1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Originally posted by JimLamebrain View PostPerhaps if such passages were written in understandable language they would be better understood and agreed upon as to their meaning.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostYes, that "something" would be one's works as a Christian, and Paul suggests in 1 Corinthians that when the Christian is tested, even if all of his works are burned up leaving nothing of value in the ashes, the person will still be saved even though he will suffer some kind of loss.1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Originally posted by tabibito View PostThe believer has produced works to be tested.
Yes, faith should produce lasting works, but the work of Jesus on the cross is final and can not be added to, which is to say that good works do not add to our salvation but rather add to the rewards we will receive in the Final Judgment.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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repentance that leads to salvation without regret, whereas worldly grief produces death. (not faith; repentance leads to salvation)
Romans 10:10 For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved. (not faith; confession leads to salvation.)1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostPerhaps if such passages were written in understandable language they would be better understood and agreed upon as to their meaning.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by tabibito View PostNo lasting works, yes.
No works at all, no.
Of course the Bible is clear that if someone claims to be a Christian but does not feel compelled to do good works should take a long, hard look at himself and determine if he's truly saved. But like my pastor once said, "If you continue to struggle with sin, that's good, because it means that sin hasn't beaten you!"Last edited by Mountain Man; 06-25-2019, 11:49 AM.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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I have yet to find a verse that claims faith alone is sufficient for salvation. Not one, to the the best of my knowledge, exists. Faith is invariably coupled with something else when it is involved in salvation, though it can stand alone as a factor in justification.1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛
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Originally posted by tabibito View PostI have yet to find a verse that claims faith alone is sufficient for salvation. Not one, to the the best of my knowledge, exists. Faith is invariably coupled with something else when it is involved in salvation, though it can stand alone as a factor in justification.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostIts not a trivial to comprehend concept. But It's actually a very good concept to use to help explain to overky literal minded christians always trying to why oversimplification can easily oroduce a distortion of complex topics. Such things are
Its a good example that christians should be able to ubderstand when trying to help them see why it usually is not a good idea to oversimplify other topics, like creation evolution, or climate change, or other scientific and social issues we struggle with today.
JimMy brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by tabibito View PostI have yet to find a verse that claims faith alone is sufficient for salvation. Not one, to the the best of my knowledge, exists. Faith is invariably coupled with something else when it is involved in salvation, though it can stand alone as a factor in justification.Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.
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