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Originally posted by tabibito View PostIf there are no exception clauses, it is a bad law.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostThe obvious solution is a law stating that any man convicted of rape or incest loses all parental rights to any child that might result from his crime.
JimLast edited by oxmixmudd; 05-15-2019, 03:32 PM.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostI tend to think if a rape creates a pregnancy, the women should have some say in whether that pregnacy is allowed to continue. Especialky early on. To put that sort of lifelong reposibility on someone that is the victim of a crime like rape is insane, even vindictive.
Jim
ETA: If the resulting child is put up for adoption, that would not be a lifelong responsibility.Last edited by One Bad Pig; 05-15-2019, 03:26 PM.Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostI tend to think if a rape creates a pregnancy, the women should have some say in whether that pregnacy is allowed to continue. Especialky early on. To put that sort of lifelong reposibility on someone that is the victim of a crime like rape is insane, even vindictive.
Jim
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostI tend to think if a rape creates a pregnancy, the women should have some say in whether that pregnacy is allowed to continue. Especially early on. To put that sort of lifelong reponsibility on someone that is the victim of a crime like rape is insane, even vindictive.
Jim
Did you think that all the way through before you clicked the submit button?
I sympathize with victims of rape, they have suffered an evil, but committing another evil in the event that they become pregnant is not the answer. Adoption is always an option, and who knows, the woman may even come to love the life that is developing inside her.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostHow is murdering someone because they were begotten by rape not insane or vindictive? Does it make it okay because you do so before they exit the womb?
ETA: If the resulting child is put up for adoption, that would not be a lifelong responsibility.
But most of the time it should not come to this. Most of the time the way this issue can be best dealt with is to just give the raped woman the option of taking something preventative when she reports the rape. Most of the time that will be sufficient. It will prevent any potential outcome of the rape that would create the need to agonize over a decision about an abortion.
JimLast edited by oxmixmudd; 05-15-2019, 10:53 PM.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by seer View PostI think this is written to be consistent. If the unborn is a human being, no matter how it was conceived, it should have status under the law.
JimLast edited by oxmixmudd; 05-15-2019, 10:54 PM.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostRight, let's kill the innocent human life because that's not insane or vindictive.
Did you think that all the way through before you clicked the submit button?
I sympathize with victims of rape, they have suffered an evil, but committing another evil in the event that they become pregnant is not the answer. Adoption is always an option, and who knows, the woman may even come to love the life that is developing inside her.
You don't realize it - but thoughts like the ones you just expressed are nothing more than the continued abuse of the rape victim.
JimMy brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by Terraceth View PostWhy is incest such a commonly suggested exception for abortion anyway? I understand the reasoning for the rape exception, even if I don't necessarily agree with it, but incest as an exception seems almost random.
JimMy brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostAnd I suppose women abused by their husbands should just hang out and quietly be abused too? Who knows, maybe eventually they will change him by their loving response?
You don't realize it - but thoughts like the ones you just expressed are nothing more than the continued abuse of the rape victim.
Jim
You think a rape victim learning to love the baby she is carrying is like an abused wife learning to "love" her husband? Really?
You think that murdering an innocent human life is an acceptable alternative? Really?
And you claim you're pro-life? Really?Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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The claim now circulating is that the bill has a rider that if a woman makes a rape accusation that fails to result in a guilty conviction, she goes to jail for ten years. I can't find any evidence this rider exists and am sure mainstream media would have picked up on it by now."I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostWell first and foremost, in the case of an early stage pregnancy brought on by rape, it is not a case of murder.Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostYou think a woman carrying a baby to term is abusive? Really?
You think a rape victim learning to love the baby she is carrying is like an abused wife learning to "love" her husband? Really?
You think that murdering an innocent human life is an acceptable alternative? Really?
And you claim you're pro-life? Really?
JimMy brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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