IG's FISA Probe May Hamper Dems' Impeachment Plans

[lilpixieofterror]

But it does list the evidence of crimes, and that is what the impeachment process is for. It's a trial by Congress. A detail you seem not to understand.

[JimL]

Evidence of criminal activity requires a trial in order to either exonerate the accused or prove them guilty. You can't even recognize evidence or you spin it to ease you own mind by calling it something else such as "stuff that doesn't reflect great" on Trump. Read the report Lilpix, it's loaded with what is called evidence, evidence gathered by the Special Councils investigation, which yes, doesn't reflect well on Trump, and impeachment is a trial by Congress which is the only way a sitting President can be put on trial.

[tabibito]

"Stuff that doesn't reflect well" might lead to impeachment proceedings - maybe even impeachment.
but "stuff that doesn't reflect well" isn't a complaint that a crime has been committed.

Near as I can tell it is what the military might, were it bad enough, consider grounds for court-martial under the term, "conduct unbecoming."

I can't recall anyone claiming Trump was clear of a "conduct unbecoming" charge - but is his conduct so bad that impeachment is warranted?

[Bill the Cat]

That's just ignorant nonsense. There doesn't have to be criminal action to impeach, but that doesn't mean there wasn't criminal action. Congress can determine whether or not to impeach in either case, whether it be due to criminal behavior, or just behavior unbefitting of the office. In this case there is both, in boatloads.

I don't understand your particular brand of stupid, but I admire your unwavering dedication to its mastery...

[Mountain Man]

And made no provision to criminally charge him after he leaves office.

A point I brought up earlier when I said that Mueller was apparently trying to establish a scenario where a president is removed from office but never charged with a crime. The fact that liberals are prepared to happily support such an obvious miscarriage of justice is disturbing.

[Mountain Man]

I can't recall anyone claiming Trump was clear of a "conduct unbecoming" charge - but is his conduct so bad that impeachment is warranted?

The Constitution explicitly limits impeachment and removal from office as a remedy for "high crimes and misdemeanors". Earlier proposals suggested "maladministration" as another reason, but our Founding Fathers rejected it on the grounds that such a standard would be open to political abuse.

[lilpixieofterror]

Evidence of criminal activity requires a trial in order to either exonerate the accused or prove them guilty. You can't even recognize evidence or you spin it to ease you own mind by calling it something else such as "stuff that doesn't reflect great" on Trump. Read the report Lilpix, it's loaded with what is called evidence, evidence gathered by the Special Councils investigation, which yes, doesn't reflect well on Trump, and impeachment is a trial by Congress which is the only way a sitting President can be put on trial.

[tabibito]

Ah - 'tis tighter than I had realised. All things considered, that might be for the best.

[JimL]

Would you like to make a bet on that Lilpix. Not a single crime has to be committed for Congress to put the President on trial, a process we call impeachment, nor does a crime have to be proven in order for the Senate to convict.

[Mountain Man]

If no "high crimes and misdemeanors" were committed then what is the Constitutional basis for impeachment?

[tabibito]

That would depend on who got to define "misdemeanour" would it not?

[JimL]

If no "high crimes and misdemeanors" were committed then what is the Constitutional basis for impeachment?

First off, crimes were committed, or if you wish, there is abundent evidence of crimes having been committed. The Constitutional bases for impeachment is called congressional oversight. That's a trial by congress which is based on that evidence as put forth by the Special Councils investigation. You shouldn't be afraid of impeachment, it's a trial, and if the President is innocent then there is nothing to be concerned about. Apparently you are all very afraid which makes it look as though you believe Trump is guilty as well.

[Mountain Man]

That would depend on who got to define "misdemeanour" would it not?

Misdemeanor is a well-defined legal term.

[Mountain Man]

First off, crimes were committed, or if you wish, there is abundent evidence of crimes having been committed.

Not according to Mueller's report and the Department of Justice.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com...nd-transcript/

[tabibito]

Misdemeanor is a well-defined legal term.

So is religion, as the word was used in the American constitution. That fact hasn't stopped people imposing their own definitions on the word to bend the way things are done to their will.