The Mueller Report

[NorrinRadd]

Nevertheless Mueller, always the sole of propriety, twice asked Attorney General William Barr to release Mueller's ownhttps://thehill.com/policy/national-...s-key-findings

And yet Barr refused to comply.

And in fact those executive summaries were released, along with the whole report.

[firstfloor]

[rogue06]

Nevertheless Mueller, always the sole of propriety, twice asked Attorney General William Barr to release Mueller's ownhttps://thehill.com/policy/national-...s-key-findings

And yet Barr refused to comply.

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Since Mueller himself emphasized that Barr's summary was not misleading or inaccurate this amounts to little more than a difference in style -- a case of I like mine better.

[rogue06]

The only thing I'd be interested in seeing is if Maddow had the intellectual honesty to press Hillary about her comment that Trump "would certainly have been indicted" considering the latter's own undeniable criminal activities that she was given a pass for

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[rogue06]

Next, they'll be bringing in the

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Not the comfy chair!

[NorrinRadd]

A couple from Turley:

-- Quick impressions from Barr's Senate testimony:

"If [Barr's assertions about his interactions with MuellerWilliam Barr should be scrutinized on his record rather than rhetoric

[Tassman]

And in fact those executive summaries were released, along with the whole report.

https://www.vox.com/2019/5/1/1852529...barr-testimony

It seems Barr intended to shape a narrative favorable to Trump in the public mind, before the actual, far more critical Report was released.

[Mountain Man]

Nevertheless Mueller, always the sole of propriety, twice asked Attorney General William Barr to release Mueller's ownhttps://thehill.com/policy/national-...s-key-findings

And yet Barr refused to comply.

You're as stupid as Senator Whitehorse. I posted this hilarious transcript from the hearings earlier in the thread:

Sheldon Whitehouse: (Referring to Mueller's letter) "When you talk about the executive summaries that Mueller provided you, they are the documents, the enclosed documents with that letter that we have not been provided."

Barr: "I think they were."

Whitehouse: [Several seconds of silence] "The... uh..."

Barr: "You have been provided them. They're in the report."

Whitehouse: [Stares in silence]

Barr: "They're the summaries in the report."

[Mountain Man]

https://www.vox.com/2019/5/1/1852529...barr-testimony

It seems Barr intended to shape a narrative favorable to Trump in the public mind, before the actual, far more critical Report was released.

In the same phonecall Iin which Mueller emphasized that Barr's summary was neither inaccurate nor misleading, Barr said he wanted to release the report all at once instead of piecemeal in order to avoid further confusion, and Mueller agreed.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...obe/ar-AAAKJB8

[oxmixmudd]

In the same phonecall Iin which Mueller emphasized that Barr's summary was neither inaccurate nor misleading, Barr said he wanted to release the report all at once instead of piecemeal in order to avoid further confusion, and Mueller agreed.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...obe/ar-AAAKJB8

Overall, what is happening here is an expansion of presidential power and the effective declawing of tge legislative branch. We are seeing how our governments checjs and balances can be overcome by a person who would be king. The checks only work if each branch has integrity and the best interests of the country at heart. If the president has an attorney general like barr that will compromise himself for the president, a week congress and a friendky senate that again is willing to put maintaining political power above the good of the country.

Trump is a continuation of a long line of opportunistic, party centric moves to grant additional power to the president. And he is the one sitting at the critical juncture where that power has grown beyond the capacity to be effectiveky constained.

A president should not be able to get away with what trump has gotten away with. In any previous time, he would have veen removed ftom office by now.

You that rejoice in his victories are blind fools.

Jim

[NorrinRadd]

Overall, what is happening here is an expansion of presidential power and the effective declawing of tge legislative branch. We are seeing how our governments checjs and balances can be overcome by a person who would be king. The checks only work if each branch has integrity and the best interests of the country at heart. If the president has an attorney general like barr that will compromise himself for the president, ...

There is no evidence this AG has "compromised" himself in any way.

a week congress and a friendky senate that again is willing to put maintaining political power above the good of the country.

A friendly Senate and an adversarial House. Neither is ideal. Only a fool would be trusting enough to be the first to "disarm."

Trump is a continuation of a long line of opportunistic, party centric moves to grant additional power to the president. And he is the one sitting at the critical juncture where that power has grown beyond the capacity to be effectiveky constained.

Piffle. Again be reminded that he has done little more than blow out a lot of bloviating and bombast, while it was GWB who put in place the Patriot Act, and BHO and his direct underlings who targeted groups and individuals, whether by means of surveillance, or via oppressive tax investigations.

It was his predecessors who were more in need of "constraint."

A president should not be able to get away with what trump has gotten away with. In any previous time, he would have veen removed ftom office by now.

You are well and truly in-Lindsey-Grahaming-sane.

You that rejoice in his victories are blind fools.

Jim

And you're a smelly jackass caked top to bottom in the ____ that has overflowed after totally filling your head.

[firstfloor]

What Barr did was to get in before Mueller so that Trump could claim exoneration. Barr thinks that Presidents are above the law and he was putting that into effect. The report itself speaks louder than Barr and shows how damaging the Trump presidency is and continues to be. The Republic is STILL under attack and defences are still down - the likes of McConnell and Graham have their foot on it - they ought to be seen for the traitors they are - history will judge them harshly.

[Mountain Man]

Overall, what is happening here is an expansion of presidential power and the effective declawing of tge legislative branch. We are seeing how our governments checjs and balances can be overcome by a person who would be king. The checks only work if each branch has integrity and the best interests of the country at heart. If the president has an attorney general like barr that will compromise himself for the president, a week congress and a friendky senate that again is willing to put maintaining political power above the good of the country.

Trump is a continuation of a long line of opportunistic, party centric moves to grant additional power to the president. And he is the one sitting at the critical juncture where that power has grown beyond the capacity to be effectiveky constained.

A president should not be able to get away with what trump has gotten away with. In any previous time, he would have veen removed ftom office by now.

You that rejoice in his victories are blind fools.

Jim

I really don't know what to make of these sorts of delusional rants. Trump was falsely accused of conspiring with a foreign government. He defended his innocence and tried to close down what he knew beyond all doubt was a political witch-hunt by exercising certain executive powers explicitly granted him in the Constitution. He was vindicated without qualification when Mueller's report did not describe a single law broken by the President. And for that, you accuse him of somehow being guilty of a power grab? Please.

It seems the only thing the President is guilty of is defeating Hillary at the polls, and surviving an attempted coup by members of the previous administration. It's funny, you would think that even Trump's critics would have reason to celebrate the fact that our President was not compromised by Russia, but, no, you're so stuck in that irrational "Orange man bad!" mentality that you can't even breath a guarded sigh of relief. You remind me of that CS Lewis quote talking about how people who are disappointed when they discover that things are not as bad as they could have been are walking down a path that leads to unconstrained evil.

[oxmixmudd]

I really don't know what to make of these sorts of delusional rants. Trump was falsely accused of conspiring with a foreign government. He defended his innocence and tried to close down what he knew beyond all doubt was a political witch-hunt by exercising certain executive powers explicitly granted him in the Constitution. He was vindicated without qualification when Mueller's report did not describe a single law broken by the President. And for that, you accuse him of somehow being guilty of a power grab? Please.

It seems the only thing the President is guilty of is defeating Hillary at the polls, and surviving an attempted coup by members of the previous administration. It's funny, you would think that even Trump's critics would have reason to celebrate the fact that our President was not compromised by Russia, but, no, you're so stuck in that irrational "Orange man bad!" mentality that you can't even breath a guarded sigh of relief. You remind me of that CS Lewis quote talking about how people who are disappointed when they discover that things are not as bad as they could have been are walking down a path that leads to unconstrained evil.

And I don't know what to make of people that refuse to see what is happening over the long term because of opportunistic power grabs by both parties. The trend in at least the last 3 presidencies is to give the president more power because it is easier to accomplish what they want to accomplish if 'their guy' has more power. But this continued progression towards enhanced presidential power is very, very dangerous. Yes it can be easier to get what that party wants done, but it also brings us closer and closer to the potential for a power grab by a single individual - the sort of individual Trump is in fact. Whether or not that transfer of power is sufficient to allow for that today, it is still mind boggling to see how many people simply do not understand why there are 3 branches of government and why the power MUST be distributed evenly across them. Trump is especially bad at ABUSING his power, and so that should be raising red flags. But no, the blinders to history and of human nature are just pressed more securely over the eyes as you refuse to recognize the danger to the republic of a man like Trump if too much power is granted to the presidency.

But make no mistake - trump is not the focus here. The focus is the continued march towards more presidential power that could one day allow for someone like Trump to get the power they crave.


Jim

[Bill the Cat]

What Barr did was to get in before Mueller so that Trump could claim exoneration. Barr thinks that Presidents are above the law and he was putting that into effect. The report itself speaks louder than Barr and shows how damaging the Trump presidency is and continues to be. The Republic is STILL under attack and defences are still down - the likes of McConnell and Graham have their foot on it - they ought to be seen for the traitors they are - history will judge them harshly.

HAHAAHHAHAHAH!!!! Now THAT'S the firstfloor that I know. Completely delusional - and proud of it.