There Was Spying On The Trump Campaign

[Cow Poke]

What I can't grasp is why you are willing to be part of the crowd helping him get away with it by going along with the con.

You're full of crap, Jim.

Just because I'm not piling on with you and the band of liberal loonies foaming at the mouth in your hatred of trump doesn't mean I approve of his conduct, or that I'm "helping him get away" with anything.

What amazes me is that you appear to think you're accomplishing anything by spewing forth such hatred.

[Mountain Man]

I'm curious what ox thinks Trump is getting away with when an over two-year investigation with virtually unlimited scope and funds conducted by shady characters out for blood did not turn up a single piece of evidence that Trump did anything wrong.

Sometimes an absence of evidence really is evidence of absence.

[oxmixmudd]

You're full of crap, Jim.

Just because I'm not piling on with you and the band of liberal loonies foaming at the mouth in your hatred of trump doesn't mean I approve of his conduct, or that I'm "helping him get away" with anything.

What amazes me is that you appear to think you're accomplishing anything by spewing forth such hatred.

It's not hatred CP. This man is constantly lying and doing things that are blatantly immoral and or illegal, and the supposed 'righteous' Christians are constantly in his corner justifying everything he does because of their hatred for the liberal media and democrat policies. It's just insane! Every time I point out something that if it was your own kid you'd take them to the woodshed for it, people on this website bend over backwards to find a way of justifying it. All I'm looking for CP is for the people on this website that say they are Christians to stop justifying this man when he does bad things. That's it. I just want to see Christians stand up and be counted as standing for good and righteousness and stop justifying filth because they'd rather not see Hillary or Obama in office. You guys rejoice in his unrighteousness, and clap when he wins at being evil. It is just completely turned inside out.

Sessions rightly recused himself and stood behind many of trumps immigration policies, but many of you joined with trump in excoriating this righteous man over doing the right thing. The man suffered public humiliation time after time after time for doing the right thing and none of you held Trump accountable for what he did to that man, a man that was at one time one of trumps most vigorous supporters, and a man that did not deserve even 1/100 of what Trump put him through!

Nielson has stood with trump in many controversial immigration policies but when she refused to do the illegal and was fired for it, many of you hide behind the technicality trump possibly didn't actually order her to break the law. Many of you support him for giving her a task that could only be done illegally and then purging DHS because they would not go so far as to act illegally to get Trump's request accomplished and offer him support in that sequence.

I could go on and on, but so many of you are so completely given over to his unrighteousness it doesn't matter what the facts are. Many of you are willing to let him taunt and brow beat and humiliate anyone that gets in his way, even if they are good and righteous people that hold the same values you do, and even when the only reason they are in Trump's way is because they did the right thing! Many of you are looking the other way over and over and over again, recognizing that how he does these things leaves very little to actually hold him accountable for and then taunting those that are offended by what he has done because he can get away with it and they can't really stop him.

Jim

[Tassman]

And they hide their lies behind "anonymous sources".

You mean like Trump's frequently used: "A lot of people are saying..." to justify his own self-serving agenda? Or is it that responsible media outlets such as the NY Times and Washington Post need to protect their sources in order to keep the people informed, as was the case with the anonymous sources resulting in Nixon's downfall?

[rogue06]

And just because no concrete evidence of collusion was found doesnt mean these accounts are not true.

But it is an excellent reason not to trust anonymous sources citing anonymous sources.

[rogue06]

You mean like Trump's frequently used: "A lot of people are saying..." to justify his own self-serving agenda?

A technique the MSM has been using for several decades to put forth unsubstantiated rumors and the like.

[rogue06]

The investigation didn't begin with the dossier you brainwashed boob, it began when foriegn intelligence shared with U.S intelligence the fact that secret meetings between Russians and Trump associates were taking place. You people are so dumb that you can't recognize a wannabe autocrat attempting to overthrow your own government. Get out of the bubble you ignorant fool.

The foreign intelligence was the Steele dossier. Everything else came after.

[rogue06]

The leftist Democrats are all bleating about how FBI spying on Trump and his campaign is nothing but unsubstantiated rumors and conspiracy theories but it is an indisputable fact that it took place as a simple look at the unredacted FISA warrants demonstrate

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Unquestionably there is far, far more evidence that they were spying on Trump than there ever was evidence to rationalize the spying in the first case.

And now comes the investigation into whether this spying was predicated on any legitimate evidence. So far it looks like all there was is a phony dossier bought and paid for by the Hillary Clinton campaign that was leaked by Comey and his gang to some newsgroups so that they can falsely claim that the stories that arose from that were independent corroboration. If that's truly all it was (or even the primary basis) some folks ought to be looking at serious jail time. So...

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And considering the hysterical reaction from Pelosi and Schumer so far it looks like they are terrified what will be revealed.

[Tassman]

The foreign intelligence was the Steele dossier. Everything else came after.

[Cow Poke]

It's not hatred CP.

It's obsession.

This man is constantly lying and doing things that are blatantly immoral and or illegal, and the supposed 'righteous' Christians are constantly in his corner justifying everything he does

Then I must not be a 'righteous' Christian.

because of their hatred for the liberal media and democrat policies.

So, it's not hatred when YOU do it, but it's hatred when THEY do.

Yeah, got it.

Blog on, Jim, Blog on!

[Mountain Man]

Here's what he said:

"No, they were not [spying on the Trump campaign]. They were spying on, a term I don't particularly like, but on what the Russians were doing. Trying to understand were the Russians infiltrating, trying to gain access, trying to gain leverage or influence which is what they do."

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...campaign.html#!

In other words, yes, they were spying on the Trump campaign but under the false pretense of monitoring Russian activity.

[Mountain Man]

...responsible media outlets such as the NY Times and Washington Post...

Sorry, that joke never gets old!

[oxmixmudd]

It's obsession.



Then I must not be a 'righteous' Christian.



So, it's not hatred when YOU do it, but it's hatred when THEY do.

Yeah, got it.

Blog on, Jim, Blog on!

And you ignore what he did to sessions and the reaction here which was to support trump in it.

And what he has done to nielson and so many others.

I am only obsessed in the sense that i am obsessed with waking up the sleepers willing to ignore actions like those day in and day out.

Jim

[Mountain Man]

And you ignore what he did to sessions and the reaction here which was to support trump in it.

The fact that Mueller quickly wrapped up his fraudulent investigation shortly after Barr was appointed suggests that Trump made the right decision. I wonder how many more months or even years the dirty cop would have carried on if feckless Sessions was still AG?

And what he has done to nielson...

There is no good evidence that Trump did anything legally questionable with regard to Nielson. And, no, "a friend of a friend who knew a guy" stories from unreliable news sources with a long history of publishing fake news are not good evidence.

[Cow Poke]

And you ignore what he did to sessions and the reaction here which was to support trump in it.

No, Jim, I don't -- you really need to stop these false allegations.

And what he has done to nielson and so many others.

I am only obsessed in the sense that i am obsessed with waking up the sleepers willing to ignore actions like those day in and day out.

Jim

You are so obsessed with this so much that you slip into false accusations of a brother, and that's sad.

Get a grip - for now, he's POTUS. It won't always be, and God is still on His Throne.