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Originally posted by Chrawnus View PostBecause thats what a substantial amount of church-goers in denominations where the creeds are read aloud in the liturgy end up doing?Last edited by Tassman; 06-17-2019, 12:51 AM.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostSo, Buttigieg is on a par with a fictional mafia boss in your mind? Gotcha.
"Oh please. I know people who are not Christian or are openly agnostic and yet who still go to church for a wide variety of reasons. They may go for their spouse's sake, for the fellowship, to make business/political connections etc."Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.
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Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
Beck has no idea if Buttigeg recites the creeds, is respectably silent during that time or is checking his emails and text messages.
https://www.indianapolismonthly.com/...tigieg-feature
A statement from Buttigeg affirming that he is would be sufficient. But he has been noticeably silent on the matter
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Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post
"Oh please. I know people who are not Christian or are openly agnostic and yet who still go to church for a wide variety of reasons. They may go for their spouse's sake, for the fellowship, to make business/political connections etc."
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Since you've added nothing new or in support of this contention I'll merely repeat myself as well.
Originally posted by rogue06 View PostHow does Beck know what Buttigeg does when the latter has been as quite as a church mouse about it? Beck doesn't even live in the same same state[1] much less go to the same church (and wouldn't even if they lived in the same neighborhood since they belong to different denominations.
Beck has no idea if Buttigeg recites the creeds, is respectably silent during that time or is checking his emails and text messages.
A statement from Buttigeg affirming that he is would be sufficient. But he has been noticeably silent on the matter which is odd for a practicing/committed/devout Christian[2]. Instead we get a few scattered incredibly nebulous statements that as I previously noted could also have been said by a semi-agnostic theist.
1. South Bend, Indiana is over 700 miles from NYC where Beck resides.
2. As a Christian Buttigeg ought to be quite aware of I Peter 3:5:
Buttigeg seems awfully reluctant to offer such a defense and such reticence is quite frankly inexplicable if he is, as you proclaim, a practicing/committed/devout Christian
Why is it that you have to rely on the opinion of someone who is not a close associate, lives over 700 miles away from Buttigeg, and is of a different denomination as Buttigeg for what Buttigeg does in church? Doesn't it even seem just the least bit strange that in spite of all your searching that you can't find anything about this from Buttigeg himself?
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Originally posted by Chrawnus View PostBecause thats what a substantial amount of church-goers in denominations where the creeds are read aloud in the liturgy end up doing?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostThere is no need to add anything, the point's been made.
The contention that Buttigieg is an active member of the Episcopalian Church
You're failing miserably, Tassman, to provide any proof whatsoever that Buttigieg is a "practicing Christian". You seem to backed way off to merely asserting - without proof - that he's an "active member" of a Church where he regularly recites a creed. Not proven.
In fact, he talks about the fact that his parents never really attended Church
He was "drawn to", but doesn't claim that he joined, the Episcopal Church
His own brother-in-law indicates this "faith" thing is all just a scam
He only claims to "more-or-less" be "Anglican".
That's some powerful testimony.
Look, Tass -- the Christian army is all volunteer. You can't just draft somebody and claim they're a soldier. There is no evidence that Buttigieg ever enlisted, graduated basic, or reports for muster, let alone took the oath of service.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostTrue. But you assume
for no good reason that Buttigieg has such motives, which is pure speculation on your part.
He claims to be Christian, there is no reason to disbelieve his claimThe first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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And now, Buttigieg is claiming we've probably had gay presidents and just didn't know it...
"Statistically, it's almost certain", but his "gaydar"....The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostTrue. But you assume for no good reason that Buttigieg has such motives, which is pure speculation on your part. He claims to be Christian, there is no reason to disbelieve his claim
I have participated very little in this conversation. One of the main things I did say was along the lines that I think it is marginally possible that Bootyjudge really is a Christian, in the sense of a "saved person," but that his practice is so severely defective that unless he repents, it will ultimately doom him.
I don't recall making any comments about his "motives," certainly not in the post you replied to. My post was completely limited to that quote from rogue, which evoked in my mind that scene from GF2, probably because I'd earlier watched a few minutes of GF2 on TV and it was fresh in my mind.Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.
Beige Federalist.
Nationalist Christian.
"Everybody is somebody's heretic."
Social Justice is usually the opposite of actual justice.
Proud member of the this space left blank community.
Would-be Grand Vizier of the Padishah Maxi-Super-Ultra-Hyper-Mega-MAGA King Trumpius Rex.
Justice for Ashli Babbitt!
Justice for Matthew Perna!
Arrest Ray Epps and his Fed bosses!
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostOh please. I know people who are not Christian or are openly agnostic and yet who still go to church for a wide variety of reasons. They may go for their spouse's sake, for the fellowship, to make business/political connections etc.
When we, as a Church, reached out to help the 'dying man' build his house, Tom was right there with us. He attends Church with his wife even though he doesn't believe in God, because he loves her. He helped us build Jim's house because "the guy seemed like a decent guy and needed help". (there's new stuff regarding Jim!)
He sings the songs we sing, because "I like to sing, and those songs are singable", but he doesn't believe their message.
It's not at all unusual for people - mainly men, in my experience - to attend Church with their wives, and even be involved to some extent - but not even be believers.
Oh, and when I was in Tyler, at a much larger Church, we could expect, prior to every election cycle, for certain persons to suddenly become "active Christians" in our Church, because, in East Texas (at that time) that was pretty much a prerequisite for running for office.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Chrawnus View Post
Editing another persons post is not "dishonest", Michel, whatever you might believe. At least not as long as the person doing the editing is clearly signaling that that's what he's doing, which OBP clearly did and on top of that he left the post ID in the quote tag, so anyone could go and look at the original. There simply was no deception involved. You might not think he "captured the gist of your post" correctly, but you have no grounds for accusing him of dishonesty simply because you think (and however warranted you might be in thinking so) he misunderstood your post.
So, whatever other reasons you might have for not liking the editing of someone elses post that happens here sometime, dishonesty is not one of those things, because whenever it happens the person doing it usually makes it clear that the post they're quoting has been purposefully edited.
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostOh please. I know people who are not Christian or are openly agnostic and yet who still go to church for a wide variety of reasons. They may go for their spouse's sake, for the fellowship, to make business/political connections etc.
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