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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostYou can have the last word.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostOne of the things that we apparently can attribute to Buttigieg saying directly (it's an actual quote) is...
"I get that one of the things about Scripture is different people see different things in it," he said. "But, at the very least we should be able to establish that God does not have a political party."
Ironic that the Democrat Party kicked God out some time ago, and in 2012 couldn't even agree to allow Him back in without some chicanery (declaring a "yes" vote where 2/3 vote was required, and the "no" votes were equally as loud, if not louder, than the "yes" votes).The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostNo - you can have the last word...The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostAntidisestablishmentarianismThe ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostI don't know the history here, but if the Democrats "kicked god" out of their party platform, I applaud them.
I think politics should be silent on the question of god - making those politics inclusive to all Americans. I don't think the Democrats (or any political party) should explicitly call out god, nor do I think they should explicitly make statements about god's non-existence. They should simply be silent and focus on the political/social issues facing our country.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness...."The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by MaxVel View PostAlso ironic that his 'God that doesn't have a party' presumably wants all His good children to vote Democrat, or more specifically Buttigieg. If he really thought God didn't have a party, he wouldn't be making a deal out of his religiousity.
We don't think twice if it's "I come from the working class, like you" or "I live in a small town, like you" or "I believe X, like you" or "I was born here, like you." So why not, "I'm Christian, like you?" Why is this held to a different standard?
(And before someone calls out "inconsistent" between my previous post and this one - since this is the new theme - my last post was about formal party platforms and this post is about how a candidate self-identifies to their constituency. They are two different domains.)The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostI'm shocked. Absolutely stunned.
Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post"The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America, When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness...."
Interesting, that.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostThat always makes me think of the Mossad agent on NCIS.
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It DOES! Oh my....The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostI thought you might be.
Yeah - and isn't it interesting to note that as you go from the Declaration of Independence, to the Articles of Confederation, to the Constitution itself (which were created in that order), the references to god go from a few, to one, to none. Somehow, the Founding Fathers saw fit, for the charter document that governs how this country functions and against which all laws are assessed, to omit any reference to a supreme being. Then tacked on an amendment that explicitly forbids the government from adopting, creating, or endorsing a religion for good measure.
Interesting, that.
- interestinger, that!The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostMay 2014 - SCOTUS upholds prayer at government meetings -
- interestinger, that!
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostOh the horror! Imagine inviting folks to participate in a prayer. The fiends!
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Reverend Patrick J. Conroy, S.J.
God our Father, we give You thanks for giving us another day.
Bless the Members of this people's House as they gather at the end of another week in the Capitol. Endow each with the graces needed to attend to the issues of the day with wisdom, that the results of their efforts might benefit the citizens of our Nation and the world.
We also ask Your blessing leading into this weekend upon fathers throughout our country. May they be their best selves and may their children appreciate fully the blessing they have been to them.
May all that is done this day be for Your greater honor and glory. Amen.
He asked God to Bless FATHERS!!!!! The HORRORS!!!!!The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post...Then tacked on an amendment that explicitly forbids the government from adopting, creating, or endorsing a religion for good measure.
So, you somehow managed to morph "respecting an establishment of religion" into "explicitly forbids the government from adopting, creating, or endorsing a religion", and you totally left out the part about "prohibiting the free exercise thereof".
Carpe, seriously --- that's Tassman level work, and I'm disappointed in you.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostMay 2014 - SCOTUS upholds prayer at government meetings -
- interestinger, that!
Those who control, and can impose their wills on others, seldom see their own actions as divisive - but they continually react as if their rights are being denied when someone begins to point it out and call for change. That was the basis for the Civil War. It was the argument against the Civil Rights legislation. It will be the argument against the government being silent on ALL forms of religion until that too gives way to a more equitable, inclusive, philosophy.
The math is simple:
Explicitly invoke god - you divide the theist from the atheist
Explicitly deny god - you divide the theist from the atheist
Be silent about god - you leave each to worship or not worship as they see fit, with no division.
I would have no problem with a moment of silence at the start of any government gathering, so each can worship or reflect in concert with their own beliefs. To stand up and recite a prayer in the context of a government activity is to exclude part of the American population. To call out a particular god (i.e., Jesus, Allah, Jehovah, Vishnu etc.) is to endorse a particular religion.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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