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Mayor Pete Attacks Trump's Faith...
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...is pretty much any post by you, including ones where you make incredibly ignorant and incorrect statements, then just continue to repeat the same things over and over and over and over.
But I've come to accept the fact that you just can't help it! It's your anti-Christian bigotry in action.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostBACK ON TOPIC again....
So, aside from being gay and having a "husband", what qualifies Mayor Pete for the office of POTUS?
That being said, while the mayor of some cities can justifiably make a claim to having more executive experience than the governors of many states, I don't think South Bend, Indiana (pop around 100K) is one of those cities. NYC, LA, Chicago, Houston, Phoenix, and Philadelphia, sure. Indeed, the smallest state (by pop) is Wyoming at 577K, so I'd even look seriously at mayors of Vegas, Portland, and Boston, or pretty much any of the top 35 cities (all have populations above 500K). At 301, South Bend doesn't strike me as enough experience n a sufficient scale, though he has been mayor for 7 years.
But then again, Obama did not have a lot of experience. Personally, I think anyone who voted for Trump has probably lost a great deal of credibility in the "what qualifications does he have" discussion. Trump had two qualifications I know of: the ability to play the media like a fiddle and rouse his "base" at the drop of a MAGA hat.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostOne could (and did) ask the same question of the current holder of that office. I'd say he's no worse off than Trump - and better in a LOT of ways.
That being said, while the mayor of some cities can justifiably make a claim to having more executive experience than the governors of many states, I don't think South Bend, Indiana (pop around 100K) is one of those cities. NYC, LA, Chicago, Houston, Phoenix, and Philadelphia, sure. Indeed, the smallest state (by pop) is Wyoming at 577K, so I'd even look seriously at mayors of Vegas, Portland, and Boston, or pretty much any of the top 35 cities (all have populations above 500K). At 301, South Bend doesn't strike me as enough experience n a sufficient scale, though he has been mayor for 7 years.
But then again, Obama did not have a lot of experience. Personally, I think anyone who voted for Trump has probably lost a great deal of credibility in the "what qualifications does he have" discussion. Trump had two qualifications I know of: the ability to play the media like a fiddle and rouse his "base" at the drop of a MAGA hat.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostSo, aside from "Trump is bad", no real answer for what qualifies Mayor Pete to be POTUS. Just a bunch of Whataboutism.
As for Buttigieg's qualifications - beyond appearing to be a decent and honorable human being, and 7 years of experience as mayor of a largish city (so some executive/government roots), for those of us who actually care about qualifications, there isn't much else there. His military experience is a plus (certainly more than Trump did), but it doesn't appear to be the kind of military experience that men like Bush Sr., Cain, Kennedy, and Eisenhower brought to the office and I think it's a mistake for him to over emphasize it.
In short, I put him ahead of Trump, but well behind people like Biden, Kasich, Jeb Bush, Sanders, and Warren. I'd put him about at par with O'Rourke and Harris - which isn't saying a great deal.Last edited by carpedm9587; 05-04-2019, 03:31 PM.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostActually - that's a good call. Much of that post WAS "whataboutism," and you're right to call me on it.
As for Buttigieg's qualifications - beyond appearing to be a decent and honorable human being, and 7 years of experience as mayor of a largish city (so some executive/government roots), for those of us who actually care about qualifications, there isn't much else there.
I put him ahead of Trump, but behind Biden, Kasich, Sanders, and Warren. I'd put him about at par for O'Rourke and Harris - which isn't saying a great deal.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post...is pretty much any post by you, including ones where you make incredibly ignorant and incorrect statements,
then just continue to repeat the same things over and over and over and over.But I've come to accept the fact that you just can't help it! It's your anti-Christian bigotry in action.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostMy argument was that the interpretation of scripture varies e.g. the likes of Buttigieg, as a practicing Christian, interprets scripture in such a way that homosexuality is OK with a loving God.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostMy argument was that the interpretation of scripture varies e.g. the likes of Buttigieg, as a practicing Christian, interprets scripture in such a way that homosexuality is OK with a loving God.
And when slavery was acceptable many people felt able to justify it via scripture.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Tass, here's something you don't seem capable of grasping....
Rationalizing and Justifying...
There are things which Christians tend to want to do, and often they will either find a way to justify it by scripture, or simply ignore scripture.
That's what slave owners who were Christians did. Many simply looked for any biblical support they could to justify their sinful actions.
They weren't holding slaves "because the Bible said it was OK" - they were forcing the Bible to allow them to do that which was sinful.
Mayor Pete is going well beyond that. He's ignoring scripture that declares homosexual conduct a sin.
Here's a pretty good explanation of the subject for you to ignore and/or mock:
Is homosexuality a sin? What does this mean?
God's design for natural sexual relationships is part of His plan. Homosexuality falsifies what God designed. Sin often means not only rejecting God but denying or rejecting how and why we are made. Though it may be considered acceptable by some today -- even in some churches -- it is not acceptable to God. And we need to take that seriously.
Sexual sins were rampant in the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah. (This is the origin of the word sodomy.) Despite warnings, they refused to repent. God destroyed those cities and it was recorded as a warning to all future generations (Genesis 18:20-21, Genesis 19:4-5, 2 Peter 2:6). Some additional scriptures on homosexuality are found in:
- Leviticus 18:22
- Leviticus 20:13
- Romans 1:26-27
The price paid for homosexuality and other fornications are told in:
- 1 Corinthians 6:9-10
- Jude 6-7
- Romans 1:18
In spite of the growing secular humanist trend to think "it's ok to be gay," it's not a righteous lifestyle. Most vocal Christians are not homophobic, but are trying to share Christ's love for homosexuals and trying to keep them from horrific judgment.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
Obviously, running a country is WORLDS different than running - as you call it - a "largish" city.
Have you looked at the claims of racism against him?
Buttigieg strikes me as young, idealistic, and energetic. I think his "fresh face" captured attention for a bit. In general, I like him. I do not think, however, that he is presidential material (yet). I also think Trump would clean his clock in the general election, and a good deal of that would be based in the continuing anti-gay position of so many in our country. It's not just - but it is the reality. If Trump is to be shown the door in 2021, Buttigieg is not the one to do it.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostI've seen various news about it. So far I'm not impressed. I have not seen anything that is directly about him. It appears to be attempts to paint him with the words/actions of others (e.g., members of the police force, etc.). I expect politicians to get hauled through the muck in this day and age. I look for evidence about the quality of the person.
Buttigieg strikes me as young, idealistic, and energetic. I think his "fresh face" captured attention for a bit. In general, I like him. I do not think, however, that he is presidential material (yet). I also think Trump would clean his clock in the general election, and a good deal of that would be based in the continuing anti-gay position of so many in our country. It's not just - but it is the reality. If Trump is to be shown the door in 2021, Buttigieg is not the one to do it.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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I'm not going to wade through 45 pages to see if it's been discussed, but Jacob Wohl (the conservative activist who famously told the media that truth doesn't matter but all that matters is how many people he can get to believe a claim he makes) was caught trying to get men to accuse Mayor Pete of raping them.
I'm relieved that this hasn't made him into a sort of martyr, and kind of surprised too."I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostThis is your opinion. Buttigieg obviously disagrees.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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