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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostHe never said anything specific about incest, pedophilia or necrophilia either so I guess that means in your book He thought that they are okay
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Originally posted by JimL View PostNo, that's not what I said, what I said is that you don't know either way, because Jesus himself never mentioned it. What I said is that Buttigieg can disagree with you about the bible and still be a christian who believes in Jesus. You don't have to like it.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostDidn't say I did.
Learn to read and comprehend there, CP.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostWhich is akin to "having a form of godliness but denying the power thereof".
Here is what the Second Vatican Council, so for Catholics, said about the inerrancy of Scripture: "Since everything asserted by the inspired authors or sacred writers must be held to be asserted by the Holy Spirit, it follows that the books of Scripture must be acknowledged as teaching solidly, faithfully and without error that truth which God wanted put into sacred writings for the sake of salvation."[10] It added: "Since God speaks in Sacred Scripture through men in human fashion, the interpreter of Sacred Scripture, in order to see clearly what God wanted to communicate to us, should carefully investigate what meaning the sacred writers really intended, and what God wanted to manifest by means of their words."
However, it is by no means certain that this is true - that is itself an act of faith. People are fallible. The form of godliness, which appears to stem from love at heart, does appear to come up against difficulties when it comes to persecuting people for their love of each other. I'm sure that the power thereof is felt in that love, more so than in the persecution.
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To the extent that it was done, yes, that would meet the criteria for "cafeteria Christianity."
The bible has long been misused to justify the social values of the day. And, in the West these values now include full civil rights for homosexuals.
Historically, Churches have always viewed the biblical text through the lens of their own culture and now the majority ofChristianchurches view this as including gay rights, as per the Episcopal Church. This is why it marries gay couples and ordains and consecrates gay priests and bishops.
The Evangelical still utilize scripture to justify homophobia but this will inevitably change in time just as justifying slavery did.Last edited by tabibito; 07-01-2019, 04:24 AM.1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
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Originally posted by tabibito View PostTo the extent that it was done, yes, that would meet the criteria for "cafeteria Christianity."Gay rights are upheld by Christians - their legitimate rights don't extend to the point of having Christians endorse their choices as acceptable to GodPerhaps "homophobia" is not quite the word you mean. Unless by "evangelical" you don't mean Christian.
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If social mores direct a Christian's course, he is not following the course set by Christ.
I mean by Evangelical the brand of Christianity that notoriously rationalized slave ownership and the Jim Crow Laws via scripture,
According to some, anyone who opposes being drawn into endorsement of homosexual relationships is homophobic. That speaks more to the critics prejudice and bigotry than it will ever say about the people being criticised. These people that you term "other Christians" see people playing with a hand-grenade and encourage them to pull the pin. Christians won't do that - they didn't encourage people to continue being slave owners, they didn't encourage promiscuity, prostitution, wanton killing - all of which have been accepted by churches at various times in history (even to the point of churches in some places running brothels.) And Christians consistently have opposed that kind of acceptance, even if necessary at risk to their lives and freedoms. In Hong Kong right now, (as I have previously made mention of) Christians are defying the churches, to protect demonstrators protesting a change of law that would see political undesirables extradited to Mainland China.1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Meanwhile, Buttigieg continues to grapple with politics at home...
And this...
Last edited by Cow Poke; 07-01-2019, 10:15 AM.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostThe ancient world was generally "comfortable" with homosexuality, pederasty, abortion, infanticide, the gruesome Roman circus, and confessing that Caesar was Lord. The early church welcomed everyone, but didn't waver in it's position on these issues. Rather, it suffered persecution for it's unwavering views, and eventually it won people over for it's stand on the truth.Last edited by Sparko; 07-01-2019, 12:17 PM.
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Originally posted by Tassman View Postpro-choice rights for women. Orwell would be proud of you.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostNo, that's not what I said, what I said is that you don't know either way, because Jesus himself never mentioned it. What I said is that Buttigieg can disagree with you about the bible and still be a christian who believes in Jesus. You don't have to like it.
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